STOP AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS

ConservativeAlerts.com ^ | 1/8/2004 | Editorial

[kellynla]

As you've probably heard by now, President Bush has called for a major overhaul of America's immigration system, to grant legal status to millions of illegal-alien workers in the United States.

While Pres. Bush was quoted saying that, "I oppose amnesty, placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship," many conservative groups like the Federation for American Immigration Reform (fairus.org) insist that his "proposals for a massive new 'guestworker' program" would threaten homeland security, grant amnesty for law-breakers (a step overwhelmingly opposed by the American public), establish a backdoor immigration program, and threaten the jobs and wages of American workers.

In fact, three dozen House Republicans had already sent a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, "strongly and unequivocally" opposing mass amnesty for illegal immigrants; this letter becomes particularly important now with Pres. Bush's announcement. Today, we're asking you to sign on to that letter to Sec. Ridge, with copies to President Bush, your two Senators and your Congressman.

As proud Americans, we must strongly and unequivocally oppose mass amnesty for people who violate our immigration laws. Mere discussion of the possibility of amnesty encourages illegal immigration. We must enforce the immigration laws currently on our books rather than dangle the prospect of citizenship in front of potential immigration lawbreakers. We must increase immigration law enforcement, not only at borders but in the interior, making it more costly for lawbreakers to disregard our immigration laws.

Since 1986, Congress has passed seven amnesties for illegal aliens. Clearly this is a short-term "fix" to a long-term problem. Rewarding people who violate our immigration laws sends the wrong message, and encourages more illegal aliens to violate our borders and enter the United States illegally. Americans will have to pay increased taxes as a consequence of the burden amnesty would place on our school systems, welfare and social service systems, roads and transportation systems, the sprawl and environmental degradation, the health care system, Medicaid, Social Security, and other programs.

It is unfair to reward people who break our immigrations laws with immigration status, while many potential immigrants outside the United States are waiting to be admitted to the United States lawfully. If we allow the people who break the rules by entering the United States illegally to go to the front of the immigration line, it is a slap in the face to law-abiding immigrants.

And of course, we must be concerned that amnesty by any name, be it earned amnesty or legalization, jeopardizes our national security. Mahmud Abouhalima was granted amnesty in 1986... and was subsequently one of the terrorists that bombed the World Trade Center in 1993.

We MUST stop this now, while we can.

ACTION ITEM: According to Newsmax.com, Pres. Bush said his proposals, IF ENACTED BY CONGRESS, "would provide a more compassionate system for those who now live in the shadows of American society." We need to let Sec. Ridge, Pres. Bush, and our legislators know how we feel on this issue, BEFORE it's too late. Click "Go!" above to send a message to ALL of them at once!

NOTE: Sec. Ridge doesn't have a public email address, and our form isn't integrated with his department's form yet, so if you want to send your comments to him directly, you'll have to go to http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/contactus.

[B4Ranch]

"According to a RoperASW poll from last year, 83 percent of Americans support mandatory detention and forfeiture of property for illegal immigrants, followed by deportation."

I'm one of the 83%.

If the President Bush or Tom Ridge would announce that in six months they will be paying a $50 per head bounty for each illegal alien on American soil there would be a mad rush for the borders.

A policeman in a car costs the average city about $200 an hour. Helicopters cost at least $2000 an hour with the ground crews. What is the full cost of a teacher per hour? $140.00 or there about.

If we could get illegal aliens to turn each other in, just the ones trying to slip through the net, (I know thousands would attempt it) we would save billions in law enforcement, welfare programs, unemployment, medical care, job training and schools the first year.

Do all this under Executive Order and tell the Courts to back off. This is national security!

Just announce that we will be dividing the country up into various sized quadrants depending on population per square mile.

Any employer who has employed an illegal alien five months from the announcement date will be fined $5000 per employee. One month later enforcement begins. This will give employers 5 months to shed the illegals and hire legally papered actual American citizens.

Then on the announced date, start in a state such as Oklahoma. Well centered, not overly populated and clean the state out. This would give Homeland, INS and Border Patrol time to install their co-agents in various court houses around the country to verify a persons paperwork, i.e.. birth certificates, hospital records, etc.

Get caught and the result would be every foreign national who is not in America legally would forfeit their belongings and be shipped out within 24 hours. These forfeited belongings would then be given to local churches for distribution to the needy. Another cost saver!

Go state to state from the epicenter sweeping out the criminals who have successfully avoided suspicion. They already had 5 months to get out, hanging around to test the system carries a SEVERE penalty. They won't be able to say they weren't warned.

This enforcement would apply to illegals from every country in the world, not just Mexico.

Imagine the number of Chinese who would be taking the ship home with everything in the house, new cars, you name it would be on those ships. The thousands of Canadians who decided the USA was better than Canada would be headed North.

How many schools could be closed? How many hospitals and state paid housing tracts? How many welfare offices?

How many state and federal employees would find out that they have the time to actually give good service to their American customers?

Oh yes, it would be an economic shocker in the amount of taxes that could be reduced or used to actually improve something needed for American citizens, instead of illegal foreigners.

Want an approximate number of the population drop? Try 50 million+ with the majority over 30 years of age, having been illegal residents of America for over ten years.

Just imagine the frantic squealing from our politicians thinking of the lost votes and contributions. That would be a sideshow worth watching!

[Merdoug]

"Any employer who has employed an illegal alien five months from the announcement date will be fined $5000 per employee. One month later enforcement begins. This will give employers 5 months to shed the illegals and hire legally papered actual American citizens"

AMEN!!

[MissouriForBush]

Your frames of reference are totally different from mine.

[Texas_Dawg]

Your frames of reference are totally different from mine.

I don't doubt it. I'm usually not nearly as negative and unhappy as many around FR.

[yoe]

”....and be shipped out within 24 hours.............this is one of the huge problems... the money for the ‘return ticket’ for these illegal aliens is in scarce supply. An illegal from Central America can’t just be tossed over the border into Mexico, he/she must be deported back to place of origin...it is very costly. Serious solutions should be sent to the INS and Homeland Defense depts. The local border towns are overwhelmed with this sort of problem.

[azhenfud]

Here's a little trivia for you.
I copied this statement from the linked site:

http://www.rhsmith.umd.edu/Faculty/JSimon/Immigration/CHAP15.txt

"...illegals cost our taxpayers over $13 billion a year in services, welfare, unemployment and costs of citizens displaced from jobs...illegal aliens send about $3 billion each year out of the country...hundreds of millions of dollars each year are lost to our nation's treasury through earnings paid to illegal aliens, on which little, if any, income tax is paid."

Let's just say we have a chance to cut that drain in half. That's roughly $8 billion annually plus a couple of "hundreds of millions of dollars" lost in tax revenue. If a bounty of $200 per Illegalien were imposed, half of the 8-12 million Illegaliens detained and "legalized", the net savings in the first year alone to these United States would be roughly $6 billion, exponentially increasing as the number of Illegaliens diminish.

America cannot afford Illegaliens. Period.

[azhenfud]

Oh, BTW, my calcs are: $8 billion - (10 million Illegaliens x $200) = $6 billion. Give or take some change....

[kellynla]

The San Diego Union Tribune estimates that illegals cost the American Taxpayer 40 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!

[Hand em their arse]

thanks, i'm a moron....

[azhenfud]

I'm sure the $40 billion number may more closely represent the entire cost of Illegaliens to Americans, but the most conservative estimate still is still overwhealming as an unnecessary expense.

If we used the $40 billion, offered a $200/head bounty and allowed a $200/head deportation fee (with incidental annual cost savings making up the difference between $200 and the actual deportation costs), that could be closer to $38 billion saved annually.

[freekitty]

I think you missed my point. This does not have to do with "freepers".

[hollywood]

While it's true that Lou Dobbs is the most non-CNN type on CNN, he's still with CNN, thus putting him in the Left's camp. On yesterday's show, his guest, former Energy Secretary Richardson was one of the leftist hinting at the need for more secure borders. Of course, the spin was to save American jobs, even though these are the same jobs the Left says Americans won't do. More confusion on their part, thanks to Pres. Bush. Again, just to see that "Broken Borders" backdrop on CNN was eye-candy to me.

[DoctorMichael]

My Freep: I printed-out a couple of press releases from the Tancredo web-site and enclosed them in the accumulated pile of solicitations from various Republican committees rather than checks, and then sent them in.

Maybe they'll get the message that I'm withdrawing my support.

[pollywog]

DITTO !!!!!!!!!!!

[Jack of Diamonds]

The illegals are not the wise investors that you say they are, they are desperate people. They beleave that when Bush makes a suggestion, it is as good as law. They will come now like a great flood. It does not matter if a bill ever sees the light of day in the house, they are coming.

[staytrue]

I rarely hear much about "slave labor" anywhere except on FR. I don't hear it on tv, radio, common govt. reports, or newspapers. I did a google on "slave labor" and got a lot of hits, but most was not about what you would call slave labor. Apparently unocal is being sued by someone over slave labor in burma, about 5 articles about us prisons, jews suing over wwII, ukranians and slave labor. Out of the 1st 60 hits, only one reference to china. Most of these "slave labor" stories in the first 60 hits are not anything you and I would be concerned with. The term "slave labor" is common on FR and used in way that seems to be at variance with what most of the rest of the world deems "slave labor".

[Jack of Diamonds]

Send all 8M back. Many are not filling jobs but are a burden on our system. Most of the jobs that they fill would have to offer a living wage to attract the citizens that are unemployed. If the costs of products go up a few cents on the dollar, we pay it. JUST DO IT, NOW!!!

[staytrue]

They beleave that when Bush makes a suggestion, it is as good as law

So far, this has been a reasonable guess. He got a tax cut, he won the 2002 elections, he increased education spending, he got the medicare changes through, he got approval to go to iraq, he deposed the taliban. He has been stonewalled in court appointments. For the most part, what bush says, bush does, for better or for worse.

I think for the most part, it has been better.

[staytrue]

Most of the jobs that they fill would have to offer a living wage to attract the citizens that are unemployed. If the costs of products go up a few cents on the dollar, we pay it. JUST DO IT, NOW!!!

Two cents on the dollar would amount to about 200 billion annually if applied to all goods and services. If you apply this figure to only 10% of the economy, you get 20 billion.

The term "living wage" is a term usually used by communists, socialists, and leftist in general. It is a term to justify paying people more than the market deems their labor to be worth. I am surprise that an alleged conservative would use this term in a positive fashion. Are you sure you are a conservative ?

[staytrue]

Imagine the number of Chinese who would be taking the ship home with everything in the house, new cars

Do you envy those with new cars ?