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Posted on 01/11/2004 2:37:16 AM PST by carlo3b
IMMIGRATION INDIGNATION, holy smoke! DID YOU SEE WHAT I SAW?What ever happened to "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..."
They came here for several centuries for the same reasons – freedom and hope -- and then a Frenchman created a statue that embodied their hopes and dreams. And it embodied America's promise as well. "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..."I have been watching with a bit of sadness, and more than a little concern, the debate that has been raging over President Bush's Administration proposed guest worker program. I haven't seen anything definitive yet, but I have to admit that I have some uneasiness about what is being said, and what may be done.
THE STATUE OF LIBERTYFirst and foremost, I do not wish to trivialize the genuine fear and the authentic concern that most of the protesters of the proposal have expressed. Nor do I disagree with the legitimate anxiety over what the future may hold if this proposal is actually what is being portrayed, "a blanket amnesty for illegal aliens". That being the case there would be in fact, national as well as historical principles at stake, and we must be ever vigilant in the protection of our liberties as well as our sovereignty.
"Principles have no real force except when one is well-fed."Immigration is now and always has been a tricky affair. The delicate balance of need and want, verses can and should. We can certainly understand someone living in desperate conditions wanting to improving their lot in life. What better place to do it than the greatest nation on earth. America is the envy of the world. We are a magnet, and a beacon.
-Mark TwainWho wouldn't choose to be free, unless as is the case in too many places, they are incapable of understanding the reality of freedom. Who wouldn't want to have wealth, if we all agreed on what wealth really is. To someone without anything to feed themselves or their children, a neighbor possessing a sack of flour, is indeed wealthy.
To a nation of plenty, it has to be understandable that a desperate and starving parent wouldn't break down a door, or cross a sweltering desert to feed their child, or a family would risk their lives in a sealed boxcar to work for a steady meal.
I must admit, and state for the record, that as a policy, I firmly believe that all law breaking must be prevented, and law breakers should be punished.. the sooner the better.
That said, I may be a candidate for a flogging I might be at most a fugitive from justice, or at the very least a shameful hypocrite, because I have in the past, and without a moment of indecision would again, give employment to someone I suspect but cannot prove, may be an undocumented worker, ..yes, AN ILLEGAL ALIEN!
I have experience with this issue.. up close and very personal...
I AM A PRODUCT OF FORMER ILLEGAL ALIENS.. Thank God.
As a young boy, I watched as my 92 year old great Grandfather, an immigrant from the bowels of depravity in Italy, as he stood in a crowded church basement and took an oath, and recited the Pledge of Allegiance to his beloved country to finally become a citizen of the United States Of America. For him, becoming a real member of this wonderful country was the culmination of a lifetime of work, and struggle and hope, and prayers.Yes, my family crossed a border from Canada into the United States in the dead of night in hopes of securing a better life for their children. They suffered the pain of fear, poverty and ridicule to take a chance. What was being said throughout the world, was true, America was and still is a nation of opportunity.My great Grandfather, his aged body bent from years of hard work, managed to stand tall as he listened closely to my uncle, who whispered in his ear, everything that was said from the podium. In those days, hopeful immigrants had to study and be tested to prove they knew enough about this country, and it's founding, history and government, to be qualified to contribute to it's greatness.
He had done his homework, and he didn't want to miss a word.
It was that day, in the cold damp basement, in a soft grainy light, walls decorated with flags, and with his fine and honorable family looking on, he and a large group gathered to prove that they were worthy patriots. That day this proud man who had overcome language, illiteracy and poverty, was at last to be rewarded, he was finally a real American.
At the conclusion of the ceremony, he broke down and cried for the first and only time I ever remember in his long and distinguished life. At that moment, I remember thinking, it must be special to be an American.
I do hear the call of fears and doubt of my fellow Americans, and I share the pain when my neighbors hurt as a nation. There is real worry about the costs and loss of jobs. There are legitimate concerns about lawlessness, and precedent of the apparent "reward the lawbreakers", at the expense of the law-abiding and innocent.
"A great deal of talent is lost to the world for want of a little courage. Every day sends to their graves obscure men whose timidity prevented them from making a first effort."I know we cannot be the world policemen, or pantry. We are a mighty nation built upon a foundation of hard work and sacrifice. Much of that labor was done by immigrants, many of which were here illegally not by choice but by necessity. Many, as my family, didn't do it as a thief, but as poor frightened peasants, who came without documentation because the limits on Italians were reached, and they couldn't afford to wait until the bureaucracy opened the doors again.
-Sydney SmithUpon arrival, frightened and stranded in a strange place without money, friends or family, they did the unthinkable, they prayed and began working until they were safe, solid and accepted. They raised a family that contributed and their offspring went to war, and they became solid threads in the fabric of their chosen country. There were a few that gave my folks a boost, a chance, a lifeline until they were secure.
So now the dirty laundry, I did the same for others, but I am apparently not alone. This isn't a unique thought to bend the some rules to help those who need help when the need is the greatest.
History is replete with law breakers that did what turned out to be a blessing. There has always been a few that took the law into their own hands when it seemed that was the only way. Moses, was spared by a benevolent stranger. Thank God a man named Schindler broke the laws to save a few hundred Jews from the Nazi's and where would we be if the Underground Railroad was derailed, because it was against the law to save a slave.
"We who lived in concentration camps can remember the men who walked through the huts comforting others, giving away their last piece of bread. They may have been few in number, but they offer sufficient proof that everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of human freedoms - to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances - to choose one's own way."The overwhelming numbers of our newest immigrants aren't fleeing death, or slavery, and I am not Schindler, but I could see the desperation in their eyes and feel the need in their hearts. And what was I offering? A job, and friendship. A job that few Americans wanted, and friendship that has lasted decades.
-Victor Frankl"The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit."There are jobs that nobody wants and few would do, unless they had no other choice, a situation which rarely arises in our country. But they are good jobs that need to be done. By and large these jobs are hard, thankless, dirty, repetitive jobs, at odds with a normal schedule. However, they are at the limits of those that need them.
-Nelson HendersonContrary to popular belief, almost no large companies would ever pay cash to save a few dollars, or underpay wages to a poor man because he is illegal. We never paid under the table, or less than the going rate because we were a well known company, and a scandal of that pettiness, would have harmed everyone, including hundreds of employees, almost all homegrown Americans.
"Something that has always puzzled me all my life is why, when I am in special need of help, the good deed is usually done by somebody on whom I have no claim."Lest you think it was all one sided, these workers were solid as a rock, and usually faithful as a clock. The work ethic in other countries is as it was in much earlier times in our history. The bottom line is they needed us, and we needed them. They stayed with me and climbed the ladder in the all American tradition, and I watched them with pride, and admiration.
-William Feather, The Business of LifeFor those that are really concerned about these poor people taking the bread out of your mouth, unless you are a pot scrubber, or a garlic picker, you are at little risk.. And to ease your mind, I have discovered a new money making venture, one that has a fabulous track record. This one has recent and past history has never failed to pay-off. It's remarkable in it's simplicity!
Here it is... bet against the fatalist, place all of your available milk money on the person needing something, and against the person wanting to keep it from him.. in short, betting against profits of doom.
Bet the farm, or the futon, that the screams are always louder during an election year, and the spin is more spit than polish. Just like the generations that preceded us the Italians, Irish, Germans, Haitians and Vietnamese, these folks will continue to be a blessing to our country. Take a deep breath and think about it without the shrill voices whispering apocalyptic threats.
Before you make your final decision on this matter, ask yourself a simple question. What would you do if you were in their place, but first, take a long look around your home, in you fridge and in your pantry.. and just for an added effect, and take an extra moment thinking of your children. Perhaps, you'll come away with a slightly different outlook. Then again, maybe not.. you have that right, my once removed, illegal uncles and a lot of others died for your right to be wrong..
I am proud of our President, he knew there would be anger and once again he faced the problem head on. Dealing with this now is going to save us all in the long run, and as to the near future.. remember we are free Americans thanks to our immigrant forefathers, and some day as in the past, these new Americans may well save you and your country...
"You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today."
-Abraham Lincoln"One of the tests of leadership is the ability to recognize a problem before it becomes an emergency."
-Arnold GlasgowGOD BLESS AMERICA
Wow we must have much better schools down south, because our lines with bulging baskets and food stamps have an excellent grasp of English without a trace of an accent, save the expletives.. :)
Well, trivialize the problem is exactly what you did. This is a combination erzatz sob story with tons of sophistry thrown in. The street magician has nothing over your use of dissimulation and distraction to avoid the current problem. When did your grandfather "sneak" over the border? What were the conditions then? What are the conditions today?
It is so easy to write a tearjerker story. Truth is, had conditions back then been what they are today, your grandfather should have (if not would have) been deported immediately. It is so easy and glib, after the fact, to say that good things often result from bad actions, but it is a piss-poor basis for making public policy in a different world with very different circumstances.
Today we struggle with deteriorating education, importing diseases, an overtaxed medical system, a constantly ballooning welfare state, all riding on the backs of people who abide by the rules, work, pay their taxes and watch not only the domestic parasites, but parasites world-wide asserting the right to deal themselves in by any means possible. All the ills we share today are indirectly the result of "your" good life, which led to the abuse of the American tendency to charitable acts.
In short, your using the example of your family is reprehensible as a means to obfuscate the problems that have resulted from not maintaining a strict control over illegal immigration. It also totally ignores the fact that thousands of "legal" immigrants were refused entry into our country at the same time your great grandfather was sneaking in. I wonder how sad some of their stories are? Your grandfather simply got away with his crime. I certainly would think twice, and actually be embarrassed to use that story as any sort of "argument" in the current illegal alien crisis.
You are right. I hope his cooking is not as dyslexic ans his recollection of verse.
I don't care how or how much it takes to do it. If I must involuntarily pay real and social costs for others' criminal behavior, I would prefer that the expense went to dozens of daily flights and hundreds of busfulls south and taking them back home as many times as it takes. As long as it takes.
But that's just me.
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...but no one will pay for the billions it would take to enforce a non-voluntary plan.
BS redux.
I would rather spend billions deporting these losers over and over than billions on rewarding them.
Ah, Carlo. If only your lofty prose were all that simple.But it isn't.
Ah, I see.. Where exactly do you recruit your laborers? Do you hire them from the State unemployment department, you know the ones that come to the interview just to have you sign their card, but alas, refuse the job?
Or, how about those familiar homegrown folks that do show up for work for approximately 26 weeks (you can count the days) and then trip and fall, or lift that last big empty box and file a labor claim, or the "KEEP THE LAWYERS EMPLOYED ACT" harassment claims that arise when the holidays are ringing with Boughs Of Holly and decking the halls of small claims court with lawsuits!
I'm just so damned sorry to burst your lofty bubble about all of these sorry foreign workers that are only driving the engine of the real world down here in the trenches.. Take your hands off the keyboard and put them in some toilets at the local Motel 6, or climb that ladder and pick that fruit, because thats the only way we'll all get to enjoy any at a price we can afford.
Yes we have horrible problems with lawlessness at our borders and elsewhere, but the only way we are going to approach documenting most of these illegals is to provide an incentive to get them to register, and begin to trace the problem. Until then, we should close the Hotels and tablecloth restaurants, and begin to shut down the hospitals and parks, not to mention all of those beautiful flower gardens up and down the boulevards.. We'll teach them a lesson they'll never forget!
Exactly my feelings. The more I think about this moron post the angrier I get. the ultimate of chutzpah: illegal immigration is wonderful! it produced me!
Time to move on to other threads.
The men told police they killed Owen because they thought they had hit her with their pickup truck and didn't want to get in trouble.
There you go Einstein. These are the animals with whom you are lumping your grandparents.
Stick it in your illegal-aliens-are-good-people album.
Have a nice day.
And, if they'd had a bigger defense budget, and closed their borders, they would still have the country.
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