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How to Lose Your Job in Talk Radio: Clear Channel gags an antiwar conservative Charles Goyette
amconmag.com ^ | February 2, 2004 issue | Charles Goyette

Posted on 01/10/2004 4:49:11 PM PST by Destro

February 2, 2004 issue

Copyright © 2004 The American Conservative

How to Lose Your Job in Talk Radio

Clear Channel gags an antiwar conservative.

By Charles Goyette

“Imagine these startling headlines with the nation at war in the Pacific six months after Dec. 7, 1941: “No Signs of Japanese Involvement in Pearl Harbor Attack! Faulty Intelligence Cited; Wolfowitz: Mistakes Were Made.”

Or how about an equally disconcerting World War II headline from the European theater: “German Army Not Found in France, Poland, Admits President; Rumsfeld: ‘Oops!’, Powell Silent; ‘Bring ’Em On,’ Says Defiant FDR.”

It seems to me that when there is reason to go to war, it should be self-evident. The Secretary of State should not need to convince a skeptical world with satellite photos of a couple of Toyota pickups and a dumpster. And faced with a legitimate casus belli, it should not be hard to muster an actual constitutional declaration of war. Now in the absence of a meaningful Iraqi role in the 9/11 attack and the mysterious disappearance of those fearsome Weapons of Mass Destruction, there might be some psychic satisfaction to be had in saying, “I told you so!” But it sure isn’t doing my career as a talk-show host any good.

The criterion of self-evidence was only one of dozens of objections I raised before the elective war in Iraq on my afternoon drive-time talk show on KFYI in Phoenix. Many of the other arguments are familiar to readers of The American Conservative.

But the case for war was a shape-shifter, skillfully morphing into a new rationale as quickly as the old one failed to withstand scrutiny. For a year before the war, I scrambled to keep up with the latest incarnations of the neocon case. Most were pitifully transparent and readily exposed. (Besides the aluminum tubes and the trailers that had Bush saying, “Gotcha,” does anyone remember those death-dealing drones? Never have third-world, wind-up, rubber-band, balsa-wood airplanes instilled so much fear in so many people.) Still, my management didn’t like my being out of step with the president’s parade of national hysteria, and the war-fevered spectators didn’t care to be told they were suffering illusions. So after three years, I was replaced on my primetime talk show by the Frick and Frack of Bushophiles, two giggling guys who think everything our tongue-tied president does is “Most excellent, dude!” I have been relegated to the later 7–10 p.m. slot, when most people, even in a congested commuting market like Phoenix, are already home watching TV.

Why did this happen? Why only a couple of months after my company picked up the option on my contract for another year in the fifth-largest city in the United States, did it suddenly decide to relegate me to radio Outer Darkness? The answer lies hidden in the oil-and-water incompatibility of these two seemingly disconnected phrases: “Criticizing Bush” and “Clear Channel.”

Criticizing Bush? Well then, must I be some sort of rug-chewing liberal? Not even close. As a boy, I stood on the grass in a small Arizona town square when Barry Goldwater officially began his 1964 presidential run. And I was there for the last official event of the Goldwater campaign. My job was to recruit and manage my fellow junior-high and high-school conservatives in a phone bank operation, calling supporters to fill up as many buses as possible to help pack the stadium—a show of strength for the nation’s television viewers. Of course that’s an insignificant role to play in a presidential campaign, but it was pretty heady stuff for a 14-year-old kid from Flagstaff.

I broke with Goldwater in 1976 over his decision to back Gerald Ford instead of Ronald Reagan for the Republican presidential nomination. Ford was a perfectly decent, if ordinary, Republican (who could have taught the big-spending W. Bush a thing or two about the use of the veto!). But I took my conservatism seriously. Reagan was clearly the champion of the conservative cause.

Perhaps I’m just anti-military? No. I am proud of my honorable service and of the Army Commendation Medal I was awarded. I also spent a good deal of time in the 1980s as a member of the Speakers Bureau of High Frontier, promoting Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative, a defense policy unlike today’s in that it was actually designed to defend the American people.

I have been a Republican precinct committeeman; my county Republican Party elected me its “Man of the Year” in 1988; I have written speeches for conservative candidates and office holders; and I have been employed by statewide and national political organizations and campaigns, including the National Conservative Political Action Committee. Despite my disappointment in Goldwater for not supporting Reagan, I was there when a small band of the faithful—no more than four or five of us—gathered for a potluck dinner to support the creation of a brand-new public-policy think tank named after “Mr. Conservative.” The enterprise blossomed, and I was honored several months ago to serve as Master of Ceremonies for the Goldwater Institute’s 15th Anniversary Gala.

I can assure you then that my criticism of Bush has been on the basis of long-held conservative principles. It begins with respect for the wisdom of the Founders and the Constitution’s division of power and delegation of authority, and extends to an adherence to the principles of governmental restraint and fiscal prudence. It proved to be a message that was more than a little inconvenient for my employer.

Clear Channel Communications, the 800-pound gorilla of the radio business, owns an astonishing 1,200 stations in 50 states, including Newstalk 550 KFYI in Phoenix, where I do the afternoon program … or did until last summer. The principals of Clear Channel, a Texas-based company, have been substantial contributors to George W. Bush’s fortunes since before he became president. In fact, Texas billionaire Tom Hicks can be said to be the man who made Bush a millionaire when he purchased the future president’s baseball team, the Texas Rangers. Tom Hicks is now vice chairman of Clear Channel. Clear Channel stations were unusually visible during the war with what corporate flacks now call “pro-troop rallies.” In tone and substance, they were virtually indistinguishable from pro-Bush rallies. I’m sure the administration, which faced a host of regulatory issues affecting Clear Channel, was not displeased.

Criticism of Bush and his ever-shifting pretext for a first-strike war (what exactly was it we were pre-empting anyway?) has proved so serious a violation of Clear Channel’s cultural taboo that only a good contract has kept me from being fired outright. Roxanne Cordonier, a radio personality at Clear Channel’s WMYI 102.5 in Greenville, S.C., didn’t have it as good. Cordonier, who worked under the name Roxanne Walker, was the South Carolina Broadcasters Association’s 2002 Radio Personality of the Year. That apparently wasn’t enough for Clear Channel. Her lawsuit against the company alleges that she was belittled on the air and reprimanded by her station for opposing the invasion of Iraq. Then she was fired.

They couldn’t really fire me, at least without paying me a substantial sum of money, but I was certainly belittled on the air for opposing the war. The other KFYI talk-show hosts—so bloodthirsty that they made Bush apologists and superhawks Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity sound moderate—vilified me almost daily. As a former radio-station owner myself, it was a little hard to believe management would allow one of their key hosts to be trashed day in and day out on their own airwaves. After all, we sell radio time on the basis of its ability to influence people’s behavior. A wiser programming approach would have been to showcase me as an object of curiosity, with a challenge to listeners to see if they could discover where I had gone wrong or how I was missing the imminent threat Iraq posed to the American people. No doubt the constant vilification I received and my heterodoxy on the war cost me audience during the interlude. It was certainly enough to get pictures of me morphing into those of the French president posted on the Free Republic Web site during the “freedom fries” silliness. A banner there read, “Boycott Charles Chirac Goyette at KFYI radio Phoenix, AZ! Protest against the Charles Goyette Show from 4-7pm at KFYI for his leftist subervsive [sic] Bush-bashing rants. Turn off KFYI radio for the Charles Goyette Show! No liberal scum talk shows on KFYI!” Radio does provoke people, doesn’t it?

One Clear Channel executive had me take an unexpected day off for the sin of reporting the breaking news on March 27, 2003, that neocon hawk Richard Perle, of the Defense Policy Board, had relinquished his chairmanship under scrutiny of his business dealings and for blaspheming that Donald Rumsfeld was the worst Secretary of Defense since Robert McNamara. So great were these transgressions that the radio gods themselves must have been aghast at my impiety. I explained in conference-room confrontations that both positions were completely respectable points of view. The comparison with McNamara had been made repeatedly in subsequent days in the mainstream media. I specifically cited “The McLaughlin Group” the following Friday and the New York Times the following Monday, and in describing the Perle resignation, I relied upon details from both Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker and from syndicated columnist Arianna Huffington. “Well, then,” they explained, the problem was “the emotionalism” of my remarks. Imagine that, emotionalism in talk radio? I reminded them that for years we had run promotions identifying KFYI as “the Place with More Passion,” where the Charles Goyette Show was positioned as “Fearless Talk Radio!”

Clear Channel made it clear—“With you, I feel like I’m managing the Dixie Chicks,” said my program director—that they would have liked to fire me anyway. While a well-drafted contract made that difficult, it did not prevent them from tucking me away outside prime time.

So I’m a talk-show war casualty. My contract expires in a few more months and—my iconoclasm being noted—it is not likely it will be renewed. Among the survivors at my station: one host who wanted to nuke Afghanistan (he bills himself as “your voice of reason and moderation”) and another who upon learning that 23-year-old Mideast peace activist Rachel Corrie had been run over by an Israeli bulldozer shouted, “Back up and run over her again!” As he doesn’t quite get some of the important distinctions in these debates, such as that Iranians should not be called Arabs, we would hope that he’s not taken too seriously. Likewise my replacements in the afternoon drive slot, brought in for glamorizing the war and billed as “The Comedy Channel meets Talk Radio.” If you remember the “Saturday Night Live” skit “Superfans” with Mike Myers and Chris Farley—“Who’s stronger, God or da Bulls?” “Da Bulls!”—then you get the idea. Only instead of “da Bulls,” it’s three hours every afternoon of “da Bush!” Expect to hear more insightful topics like “So Who’s Tougher: Michael Jordan or Donald Rumsfeld?”

I’ve seen how war fever infects a people. And I was in a no-win situation, with an audience pre-screened by virtue of 11 hours a day of screaming war frenzy—unlistenable for the uninfected—that surrounded my time slot. So I knew there would be a personal price for opposing the war, and I was prepared to pay it. But as a lover of the rough and tumble of public debate and the contest of ideas, I am disappointed at what is happening in my industry. At least at Clear Channel, there’s only one word for the belief that talk radio is still a fair and fearless search for the truth: “Un-Bull-ieveable!”

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Charles Goyette was named “Best Talk Show Host of 2003” by the Phoenix New Times.


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To: Destro
Nice attempt to over up your ignorance.

Your arguments might be more compelling without this sort of sophomoric chest-thumping.

In all cases where democracy flourishes a pre-existing condition for its truimph existed

Well, I'll concede that - since pre-existing conditions for democracy are the human condition. I think, therefore I want a say in what happens to me.

To pretend that the Germans and Japanese had a firm tradition of democracy briefly interrupted by totalitarian otherness is...something else again. In the East, particularly, the idea of subordinating individual desires to the needs of a collective is the underlying ethos. Far more inimical to democracy than the historical traditions of the Middle East.

81 posted on 01/10/2004 6:12:19 PM PST by prion
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To: Destro
"the USA has never been able to create anywhere-anytime the foundations that would allow for a democracy to evolve."


Stand back and watch then.

82 posted on 01/10/2004 6:12:28 PM PST by Damagro
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To: sinkspur
From what I saw (I'm on a local radio chat board) his ratings have been fine. But he dared to argue passionately against the war. I don't agree, but he has a compelling show and he is a very smart guy. For years before, he was at a station where the hosts weren't allowed to have opinions, and the talkshows usually ran along the line of "Ask the Landscaper" or "What's your favorite tv show?" it was dreadful.

I'll take someone who has a well thought out passionate show any day over someone who has to tailor his show and beliefs so that he can be kept in good stead with his conglomerate. KFYI screwed over Bob Mohan, they are screwing over Goyette, I've been listening to this train wreck for years...

83 posted on 01/10/2004 6:13:04 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never, ever, ever trust a Tax Freedom grifter that wants your money...)
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To: cyborg
Why? What did he say?
84 posted on 01/10/2004 6:14:45 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Kaddafi is such a whack job that he never promoted himself past Colonel!)
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To: Az Joe
Otherwise, why did he bring up Pearl Harbor in an article about his views on the Iraq

He is not doing a direct comparison between WWII and GW volume II. He is providing a hypothetical situation to give some context to the revelations that happened shortly after the war began in Iraq. There were some problems with the intelligence that linked Iraq with 9/11. If 9/11 was the reason we went to war with Iraq, what if Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? The historical backdrop is to illustrate how we might perceive things differently if we are to remove ourselves from the current situation. The point is "how would we have felt if we went to war with Japan over Perl Harbor if we found out they had nothing to do with it" and how is that somehow different from our situation with Iraq given that they might not have been involved in 9/11. There is no direct comparison between the Iraq war and WWI because the situation he presents with regards to WWII never happened.

85 posted on 01/10/2004 6:16:14 PM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Just more the same stuff when he had that interview with Sean Hannity. It was an endless assault about Dubya Bush and conservatives,etc. I was talking to the radio...LOL
86 posted on 01/10/2004 6:18:20 PM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg
I can't listen to leftists on the radio. As much as I like Curtis Sliwa (great guy -- I've met him a number of times), I can't stomach listening to that hypocrite Kuby.
87 posted on 01/10/2004 6:19:34 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Kaddafi is such a whack job that he never promoted himself past Colonel!)
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To: Destro
Are not talk show hosts supposed to be biased? Even uber-biased?
"Bias" is a perjorative. " Perspective" is a neutral term. Everyone has a perspective.

Those who claim not to have a nameable perspective--e.g., journalists--are the most biased. Those who self-identify as liberal (or, far more often, conservative) are by that self-critique less biased than those do not.


88 posted on 01/10/2004 6:20:01 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Belief in your own objectivity is the essence of subjectivity.)
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To: McGavin999
the last thing you want on that half hour drive is someone who kicks your bloodpressure right off the charts

I tend to agree with you on your point, but Giddy and Shrill are about as entertaining as stubbing your little toe. They are the most witless two on radio today. Their attempts at humor are juvenile and when they try to be insightful, it comes off as a surfer dude trying to quote Nietzsche.

89 posted on 01/10/2004 6:20:48 PM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: Destro
The guy sounds like Pat Buchanan.
90 posted on 01/10/2004 6:21:30 PM PST by Damagro
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To: Nanodik
This is a prime example. We did not go to war with Iraq over 9-11 (although I do believe there will be found a connection). We went because the man was known to have WMD, and he refused to comply with the UN resolutions that required him to prove he no longer had them. He didn't. We went to war to mad darned sure he did't because after 9-11 nobody wanted to take a chance.

People just keep moving the goal posts. It wasn't that long ago, I can't understand why people don't remember things.

Charle's main problem was he was too much like the people on FR who only read the threads that either re-enforce, or ones they can hijack and turn it into something completely different just so they can argue.

91 posted on 01/10/2004 6:22:10 PM PST by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader-Have you donated yet?)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Kuby is hysterical, and I don't think he takes his 'communism' seriously really. If he did, he'd be poor anyway. Sometimes I can't take it either. Better him than Sam Greenfield! I liked Lynn Samuels but sometimes I had to turn her off... LOL
92 posted on 01/10/2004 6:23:36 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Destro
I bounce around the dial, myself, but I don't care for ANY of the local guys. I never did like Goyette, and why bother with someone I find annoying when I can listen to intelligent discussions on Hewitt's show?

Goyette just doen't fit in with the lineup at KFYI, in my opinion. He would probably do fine at KTAR.
93 posted on 01/10/2004 6:24:05 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (www.VirtueMedia.org)
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To: Polybius
So You Want to Build a Democracy

By Henry Butterfield Ryan

Mr. Ryan is a a writer for the History News Service. He is also an associate of the Institute for the Study of Diplomacy, Georgetown University, and a Life Member of Clare Hall, Cambridge.

We hear constantly these days that the United States will build a city on a hill in Iraq, a constitutional democracy whose example will change the Middle East. We built democracies in West Germany and Japan after World War II, and that, people say, proves we can do it in Iraq. But the differences between Iraq and Germany or Japan are far too great to make them credible models for this task.

Both Germany and Japan had had important experiences with democratic institutions within memory of their postwar populations. The Weimar Republic's parliament, the Reichstag, governed Germany after World War I until Hitler seized control in 1933.

Japan developed a strong democratic movement in the late 19th century. It created a parliament with a house of representatives whose members after 1925 were elected by universal manhood suffrage and who eventually formed Japan's cabinets, much as in the United Kingdom, for example. The Japanese military usurped the parliament's role in the mid-1930s.

Although these democratic institutions were too fragile to resist the militarism that swept much of the world in the 1930s, we were not introducing new concepts of government in those defeated nations.

Iraq is a different matter. That country has seen incessant military takeovers, assassinations, political executions, and factional and ethnic rebellions since the mid-1930s. No one there can remember an extended period of guaranteed human rights, freedom of expression or the rule of law so essential to modern democratic institutions.

Both Germany and Japan had literate, talented, industrially and technologically competent populations, a huge help in building a modern democratic society. Iraq does not have them to nearly the same degree, although its population is relatively advanced for the region.

Both the German and Japanese populations were far more homogeneous than Iraq's, which has profound religious and ethnic divisions. And in the case of Germany, the people had close cultural, religious and historical ties with Americans, which eased the post-war relationship. Iraqis certainly do not.

Germany and Japan were devastated by prolonged total war, in a way we assume Iraq will not be, making them more prone to accept the Allies' democratic program. The Japanese emperor, who still had enormous prestige, even called for cooperation with the victors. Saddam Hussein, if he survives, is unlikely to follow that example.

Those who believe democracy-building in Iraq is a feasible U.S. war aim should remember that in Germany and Japan the process was not a quick one. Forming the new governments involved Allied administrators for a decade in Germany, work admittedly hindered by the Cold War, and for seven years in Japan. American officials today talk of a one- or possibly two-year commitment in Iraq.

After World War II the vanquished regimes lacked any influential sympathizers who could possibly have challenged us. Quite to the contrary, fear of Soviet expansionism encouraged them to cooperate. Iraq, by contrast, has multitudes of sympathizers throughout the Muslim world. They undoubtedly view our invasion and occupation as oil imperialism, a blow against Islam and a major strike in support of Israel. In that emotional environment we can expect terrorist groups to gain credibility. Indeed, our increased security precautions at home it make clear that we do.

So even if, theoretically, we could build the complex infrastructure needed for democracy and the protection of human rights, we are likely to end up in a hostile sea with terrorism complicating our task. The Americans may well be seen as the new crusaders linked with the old imperialists, the British.

If it takes a leap of faith to believe we can turn Iraq into a democracy any time soon, it takes an even greater one to imagine that Jeffersonian democracy will spread simply by example to the other autocracies in the region. And if it did it would create a conflict of interest for Washington because many of those regimes are aligned with the United States.

The German and Japanese examples prove only one thing -- building democracies is not an easy job. There is good reason to believe it will be harder than ever in Iraq.

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This piece was distributed for non-exclusive use by the History News Service, an informal syndicate of professional historians who seek to improve the public's understanding of current events by setting these events in their historical contexts. The article may be republished as long as both the author and the History News Service are clearly credited.

94 posted on 01/10/2004 6:24:19 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
bump
95 posted on 01/10/2004 6:25:09 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: Nanodik
Austin Hill had a fairly good show on before, but then they paired him up with Tom Liddy and he is a bad Ed McMahon wannabee. For 3 hours, Liddy does voices, and Hill squeals about how funny it is. You can practically hear your brain cells dying from starvation. At least Goyette makes you think a bit, rather than just have you pump your arm and parrot "hell yeah!"
96 posted on 01/10/2004 6:25:46 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never, ever, ever trust a Tax Freedom grifter that wants your money...)
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To: Damagro
First time's the charm, eh?
97 posted on 01/10/2004 6:26:05 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
As for the New Times, yeah, its fairly liberal, but they have named many other conservatives as best talkshow host in the past, and they are the only print media in AZ that has the balls to take on the stories that the other newspapers shy away from.

The New Times has STORIES? I thought they only published advertisements!

98 posted on 01/10/2004 6:26:06 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (www.VirtueMedia.org)
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To: Nanodik
Yes, but they make you laugh and that's exactly what you need to unwind after a hard day's work. I listen to talk radio for most of the day (while I'm working because I can't freep there). There are other times of the day for hard hitting and controversy, NOT evening drive time.

Because I read a lot I caught too many errors and that would drive me up a wall. And if someone DARED to call him to correct him we went off at them like they were total idiots.

99 posted on 01/10/2004 6:27:25 PM PST by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader-Have you donated yet?)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Charles was at KTAR for years, but they never let him have any opinion on anything. KTAR is much better, but they still have the dullest man in radio, Prezztn Westmrlnd....
100 posted on 01/10/2004 6:27:53 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never, ever, ever trust a Tax Freedom grifter that wants your money...)
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