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To: sarcasm
No employer has ever offered you salary? Have you ever had a job?

As I said Economics 101 rather than Marx 101 should help.

Short of that let me try again. Salaries do not just magically appear by themselves. They become what they are as a result of the supply and demand for labor. Income for most people is determined by the market value of the productive resources they sell. What workers earn depends, primarily, on the market value of what they produce and how productive they are.

As the world shrinks and good and services become intertwined capital will naturally seek to increase its potential value by searching for means - automation, other labor sources, efficiencies, etc - in order to maximize its profits. This process can cause disruptions in the traditional patterns of a society but these disruptions usually work themselves through and eventually will the result being more efficient, higher quality goods and services and overall benefits to those societies that buy into this economic model. This has been proven so again and again.

22 posted on 01/10/2004 4:26:05 PM PST by eleni121 (Preempt and Prevent)
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To: eleni121
This process can cause disruptions in the traditional patterns of a society but these disruptions usually work themselves through and eventually will the result being more efficient, higher quality goods and services and overall benefits to those societies that buy into this economic model.

I note that you make no statement about wages. Please feel free to discuss free trade and its effect on wages - especially the points raised by David Ricardo in his treatise called The Iron Law of Wages. I note that you have jumped threads.

You have also failed to answer my questions about your employment. Have you ever had a job? Have you ever been offered a salary?

23 posted on 01/10/2004 4:36:38 PM PST by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: eleni121
This process can cause disruptions in the traditional patterns of a society but these disruptions usually work themselves through and eventually will the result being more efficient, higher quality goods and services and overall benefits to those societies that buy into this economic model.

I note that you make no statement about wages. Please feel free to discuss free trade and its effect on wages - especially the points raised by David Ricardo in his treatise called The Iron Law of Wages. I note that you have jumped threads.

You have also failed to answer my questions about your employment. Have you ever had a job? Have you ever been offered a salary?

24 posted on 01/10/2004 4:37:05 PM PST by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: eleni121
Salaries do not just magically appear by themselves. They become what they are as a result of the supply and demand for labor.
Very important point. This is why Americans should be mad - their own government is attacking them on two fronts, increasing the supply of labor through legal and illegal immigration, and decreasing the demand for labor through outsourcing and unilateral free trade schemes. The only possible outcome is lower wages, which is good for employers and bad for employees. I am all for creating a positive business environment, but not when it is simply taking from workers and giving to employers - that is a zero sum game even though employers are always telling us that they will pass the savings on. BS, the cost of goods is also determined by supply and demand. If you really think business is trying to get you the lowest possible price for goods, look no further than the pharma industry which is trying to block Americans from getting the same drugs cheaper from overseas. They argue that they are worried about quality. Since when are free traders worried about quality? We have been buying crappy goods from Asia for years now, and never did I hear them suggest that we would be in danger of buying poor quality goods. Anything a businessman tells you needs to put in the context that it will help him make more money.

33 posted on 01/10/2004 8:49:05 PM PST by sixmil
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