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1 posted on 01/09/2004 8:40:14 PM PST by Holly_P
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"Wilmette homes are much safer without a handgun, even if this situation on Linden [Avenue] last week was replicated," he said.

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That's a brilliant statement contradicited by empiracal reality.

2 posted on 01/09/2004 8:47:22 PM PST by RLK
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Show your true colors!

Reach into that purse and donate to Free Republic!

3 posted on 01/09/2004 8:49:01 PM PST by Support Free Republic (If Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened!)
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Better to be tried by 12 than carried by six.
4 posted on 01/09/2004 8:50:14 PM PST by DeepDish (I no longer capitalize french or france, only things proper or significant are capitalized.)
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Wasn't Chicago one of the cities recently booted out of court for a predictable and ludicrous suit against firearms manufacturers?

We really need loser-pays provisions in jurisprudence, more than ever these days against wayward municpalities.

6 posted on 01/09/2004 8:58:25 PM PST by angkor
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He said e-mails and conversations with residents have reflected their support for the ordinance.

What kind of idiots live in this village. I hope their property prices hit the rocky bottom. As they should for any place where the police defends the criminals from the victims.
7 posted on 01/09/2004 8:58:47 PM PST by singsong (Jesus the Saviour!)
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New sign on "Village" water tower. Gun Free Since 1989...yeah, that'll stop those thugs
9 posted on 01/09/2004 9:06:19 PM PST by tubebender (Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see...)
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"banning handgun ownership"

Is that constitutional? I understand that the state has been allowed by courts to regulate some extreme forms of weapons (fully automatics), I've heard of arcane licensing restrictions, but I've never heard of an outright handgun ban.

Learn something new (and occassionally bad) every day...

10 posted on 01/09/2004 9:09:46 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Mullahs swinging from lamp posts....)
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If this poor man doesn't move out of leftist Wilmette he's insane and deserves whatever befalls him. Wilmette is a very prosperous town, and when burglars know that homeowners don't believe in firearms, why would they not take advantage of that situation?
11 posted on 01/09/2004 9:21:17 PM PST by Capriole (Foi vainquera)
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""As far as the FOID card goes, the law is on the books, and you have to comply with it," Vandermyde said. "He was clearly in violation of the law.""

Ah...I don't know about that. The IMF is not required to toss out illegals and yet that is the law.
12 posted on 01/09/2004 9:22:17 PM PST by Revel
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The really sad part of this whole thing is if the guy had shot the intruder with a rifle or shotgun he wouldn't be facing charges.

15 posted on 01/09/2004 9:28:13 PM PST by Chewbacca (I talk to myself because it is the only way I can have an intelligent conversation.)
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To: Holly_P
With ISRA folks like TODD VANDERMYDE

WE ARE ALL SCREWED!! Read on!!!!!!


ZAHM: Friend or Foe of Gun Owner Rights?

Wednesday, June 04, 2003

By Jon Zahm (jon@goliathslayers.com)

State Rep. Patricia Lindner (R-Sugar Grove) was endorsed by the Illinois Rifle Association, but voted to close gun show loopholes last week.


State Rep Harry Osterman (D-Chicago) is a staunch supporter of gun control.


Freshman State Rep. Linda Chapa Lavia (D-Aurora) is sending mixed messages on gun rights to her constitutents.
OPINION -- Senate Bill 947 passed the Illinois House with the bare minimum of 60 "yea" votes on May 28 to move the legislation on to the Illinois Senate. Fortunately, the Senate did not take up consideration of the bill, as amended. A shell bill, however, of SB 947 passed on March 27 by a 32-16-2-9 vote, with all Democrats, plus Rev. Meeks, voting in the affirmative.


What would SB 947 do if it became law? Proponents, like sponsor Rep. Harry Osterman (D-Chicago), call it "the closing of the gun show loophole."


Under this bill, two private individuals who meet at a gun show, even in the parking lot, would have to submit to Illinois State Police background checks on one another to sell, or even trade, firearms. This is an onerous and unnecessary burden on the United States' and Illinois' Constitution's guarantee to keep and bear arms.


The stated purpose of this legislation is to keep guns from the hands of people who would use them for criminal purposes. Gangbangers and felons do not shop at gun shows. Even if they did, they could make their connection at a show with an individual (presuming one would comply, which I doubt) and take the transaction off of the property to circumvent the law.


When I reviewed the roll call I found two names particularly troubling. First, my former State Representative Patricia Reid Lindner (R-Sugar Grove) voted for this bill. I remember telling ISRA (Illinois State Rifle Association) lobbyist Todd Vandermyde and ISRA PAC Chairman Jim Vinopal that the only pro-gun owner rights candidate in the 2002 Republican Primary for Lindner's seat was Wade Joyner (R-Plano).


Having served as Wade's campaign manager, I knew the sincerity of his position and he expressed it publicly at an Aurora Sportsman's Club meeting where opponents Lindner and Edward Sleezer (R-Millbrook) refused to endorse personal protection (a.k.a.conceal and carry) legislation.


Vandermyde, present at this Sportsman's meeting, still insisted on manipulating an endorsement of Lindner by the ISRA and parent NRA, backed up by a post card and automated telephone call campaign to identified gun rights supporters. He justified this by saying to those who questioned the wisdom of the endorsement that Lindner is "there when we need her."


Todd, where was she on May 28? She was casting the 60th vote for passage of the bill.


Another politician who let down her constituents on SB 947 is State Representative Linda Chapa LaVia (D-Aurora). She insisted to several of my conservative Republican friends in Aurora that she would be an advocate of Second Amendment rights, more so than RINO Republican Robert O'Connor (R-Aurora). With that information in tow, and similar promises of moderation with regards to immigration and abortion issues, they rallied support behind the scenes for Chapa LaVia, as she pulled out a close race. Her record on the other issues has been shaky as well.


With lobbyists who don't serve the cause well, and flip-flopping politicians, freedom for gun owner rights is under threat. We, as conservatives, need to be very careful where we place our memberships and funding. The future of gun owner rights is at stake.
17 posted on 01/09/2004 10:00:21 PM PST by chicagolady (Jesus, Be my Magnificent Obsession)
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On Thursday, Hale DeMar, 54, was arrested for allegedly violating the North Shore suburb's ordinance banning handgun ownership. DeMar also was charged with failing to renew his Illinois firearm owner's identification card, which expired in 1988.

Is this from an alternate universe? It's illegal to own a gun,but you can be charged for not renewing gun permit! It's bad enough that the second amendment is ignored, but do we have to completely abandon all reason.

18 posted on 01/09/2004 10:03:09 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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On Thursday, Hale DeMar, 54, was arrested for allegedly violating the North Shore suburb's ordinance banning handgun ownership. DeMar also was charged with failing to renew his Illinois firearm owner's identification card, which expired in 1988.

Is this from an alternate universe? It's illegal to own a gun,but you can be charged for not renewing gun permit! It's bad enough that the second amendment is ignored, but do we have to completely abandon all reason.

19 posted on 01/09/2004 10:04:55 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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Homeowner to face gun charges
Wilmette Life

A Wilmette homeowner who shot and wounded an intruder succeeded in driving the burglar out of his house and may have ended a series of cat burglaries on the village's east side, but this week he faces weapons charges that include a local ordinance banning handgun possession.

The incident also could lead village trustees to revisit an issue which has received relatively little attention since board members passed the handgun ban nearly 15 years ago in the wake of the Laurie Dann school shootings.

Morio L. Billings, 31, was hospitalized at St. Francis Hospital in Evanston Dec. 29, after he fled the Linden Avenue neighborhood with two bullet wounds and a stolen sport utility vehicle police said he had stolen from the same house the night before.

After a Tuesday bond hearing, he was transferred to Cook County Jail, where he was held on a $3 million bond charged with two counts of residential burglary and one count of possession of a stolen motor vehicle.

The homeowner and victim of the break-in, 54-year-old Hale DeMar, will not face charges in the shooting, which prosecutors determined was justified.

But police on Tuesday said they planned to charge him with failing to have a current Firearm Owners Identification Card, a misdemeanor, and with violating Wilmette's 1989 handgun ordinance, which carries a fine of up to $750 and permanent loss of the weapons. He is to appear in court on both charges Feb. 6.

Police said they confiscated the .38-caliber revolver used in the shooting as well as a .380 automatic pistol from the home. They said DeMar had a FOID card but that it expired in 1988.

Although statements in the days after the incident seemed to indicate that police might not press the ordinance issue in the case, police said they were not wavering on the issue but waiting for facts and dealing with the more immediate issues surrounding the burglary suspect.

"It was not due to indecision but a desire to have complete information before coming to conclusions. Our strategy was to address the forcible felony charges first," said Police Chief George Carpenter.

Burglary history

Police said Billings has an extensive criminal history and came to the Chicago area from Coon Rapids, Minn. On the night before the shooting, he entered DeMar's house near the Bahai Temple by reaching through a dog door to open a deadbolt lock. At that time, police said he took a small television and a set of keys to the house and a BMV sports utility vehicle, which he used to flee the area.

When DeMar discovered and reported that crime early the next day, he was not able to get the locks changed and had his 8-year-old daughter and 10-year-old son stay in his upstairs room.

Shortly before 10:30 p.m., police said, Billings returned to the home, apparently seeking a computer monitor he believed to be a high-end flat screen television. When he used the stolen keys to open a kitchen door, DeMar was alerted by an alarm panel near his bedroom and went downstairs armed with the revolver.

He found himself across from a man masked with a hat and bandana. Instead of leaving through the nearby door, police said Billings ran farther into the house in a circuitous motion.

At that point DeMar fired four of the six bullets in the gun. Billings was struck twice, once in the shoulder and once in the leg. After crashing through a window and running back to the stolen SUV, he drove through a yard and knocked down two fences to escape.

Wilmette police found Billings shortly after that when St. Francis Hospital reported the arrival of a man seeking treatment for gunshot wounds. Billings' injuries were not considered life-threatening, but the bullet that struck his shoulder caused extensive damage lower in his arm.

Since mid-October, police have been investigating a pattern of cat burglaries in the area, break-ins or attempts by someone who knows or believes the home to be occupied at the time.

Shooter reacts

DeMar, who owns the Oak Tree Restaurant in Chicago, said he could not comment on specifics of the case but said he is not someone who wanted a confrontation.

"I don't think I acted any differently than a lot of people would have with two small children in the house. I'm a strong believer in the Second Amendment. I'm not a criminal, I'm a 55-year-old businessman," DeMar said.

"I think it's strange you're allowed to have a shotgun or semi-automatic rifle, but those aren't things you'd reach for when somebody breaks in," he said. "Those aren't things I'd have in the house."

Legal aspects aside, Carpenter said keeping handguns in a home and confronting intruders is a dangerous gamble

"We want to give good information to Wilmette residents about what we advise them to do if they ever find themselves in this situation. Lock the bedroom door and call 911. Protect yourselves and your children first," Carpenter said.

By confronting a burglar, homeowners take the risk of being overpowered or surprised by more than one intruder or by someone who is better armed, faster or just lucky.

Handgun dangers

The homeowner can end up wounded or killed in a struggle over their own weapon, Carpenter warned. Out of confusion and fear, some people trying to defend their home have accidentally shot their own family members returning late at night.

"These things go wrong in so many ways," Carpenter said.

Beyond the immediate danger of a struggle, Carpenter said a handgun in the home can facilitate suicides, accidental shootings and can turn domestic arguments into homicides.

The choice of burglary alarm also affects the outcome of incidents such as this one, Carpenter said.

The alarm notified DeMar of the intrusion, but a loud audible alarm usually sends burglars running. As with many home systems, the alarm goes first to a remote monitoring center before police are notified.

That delay can run as long as 10 minutes and in this case gave Billings enough time to get into a confrontation, run back to a stolen vehicle and begin his escape before police learned there was a problem. Some systems notify the Police Department directly.

It's not clear whether the incident will lead to calls to change or repeal the handgun ordinance, but it is possible that trustees will review the law or seek to remind people that it's still on the books and being enforced.

Wilmette is one of a few suburbs to enact local handgun bans, including Morton Grove and Oak Park.

Village President Nancy Canafax said the law had been considered before the 1988 Winnetka school shootings, but that incident helped overcome opposition to the ban and it seems to still enjoy broad support. It has not been scheduled for discussion at a meeting but could come up in trustee discussions or public input.

"I've gotten some e-mail from people saying it's a horrible thing and it's unconstitutional, but I don't think any of them were from Wilmette," Canafax said.

"The people I've talked to in Wilmette like this ordinance and support it."

Sounds like it's time for Mr. DeMar's neighbors to contact the local police as well as the villiage trustees and talk a little sense into all concerned. The guy just brought to a halt a rash of hot burglaries that the police had been helpless to end. The entire neighborhood can now get a good night's sleep.

Did I miss the part where the police chief and the villiage president thanked him and offered an award of commendation in a public ceremony?

21 posted on 01/09/2004 10:51:02 PM PST by concentric circles
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"As far as the FOID card goes, the law is on the books, and you have to comply with it," Vandermyde said. "He was clearly in violation of the law." Vandermyde criticized the village ban on handguns, yet he acknowledged that Carpenter was required to enforce the ordinance. "Obviously we think it is ludicrous to charge someone for defending his family, but you have to stand behind the laws, no matter how ridiculous the situation, or take them off the books," he said.

What a crock. Law Enforcement selectively enforce Law every single day. You enforce this Law by your choosing to enforce this Law at this particular moment. Try not being a Liar on top of it. Blackbird.

30 posted on 01/10/2004 4:13:43 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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They should have arrested him for owning a Llama.... sheesh. That's not a respectable firearm.
31 posted on 01/10/2004 4:48:55 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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"Wilmette homes are much safer without a handgun, even if this situation on Linden [Avenue] last week was replicated," he [George Carpenter] said.

If there were a 'Dumbest thing said day,' George would win the prize.

What's that old axiom? T'is better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six.

5.56mm

32 posted on 01/10/2004 4:58:31 AM PST by M Kehoe
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But Todd Vandermyde, spokesman for the National Rifle Association, gave Wilmette police a mixed review. "As far as the FOID card goes, the law is on the books, and you have to comply with it," Vandermyde said. "He was clearly in violation of the law."

What is the definition of "infringed", Todd?

33 posted on 01/10/2004 5:01:32 AM PST by Jim Noble
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