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No, he just knows that a certain type of conservative stayed home in the 2000 election and he's learned he can't count on them. Staying home in the 2004 election will be nothing new to them.

I've been following the threads on immigration and the deliberate misinterpretation of the plan means that either they are a) not really conservatives or b) didn't bother to vote in the 2000 election either.

I have no problem with those who understand the plan but still don't like it. I do have a problem with those who twist the plan into something that it's not.

"I have no problem with those who understand the plan but still don't like it. I do have a problem with those who twist the plan into something that it's not."

BINGO... And it's usually the ones who start the name calling who twist it

No, he just knows that a certain type of conservative stayed home in the 2000 election and he's learned he can't count on them. Staying home in the 2004 election will be nothing new to them.

PA went to Gore by only 200,000 votes out of 5 million. Only 82% of our conservatives voted for Bush.

No, he just knows that a certain type of conservative stayed home in the 2000 election and he's learned he can't count on them. Staying home in the 2004 election will be nothing new to them.

We have two major Republican clubs here in Cochise County, Arizona. Both fought hard for Bush in 2000. Many of those same people now plan to leave the top portion of their ballot blank. This is a meltdown at grassroots level.

This county is right on the border, so we have to deal personally with the damages from illegal immigration every day. It isn't a hypothetical situation or something we see in passing on Fox News. To us, this proposal is a complete sell out on the one issue that most directly affects us and we don't care what "strategerie" reasons were behind it.

By the way, 30% of the local population is of Mexican descent and they are not thrilled with this proposal. Their take is that it is either an empty shot at vote pandering or an attempt at assuring an endless supply of semi-indentured servants.

On Saturday, January 17th, both clubs are holding a combined dinner meeting. The speaker and guest of honor is Tom Tancredo.

I like the idea of three years and you're gone. But that's about it. Nothing on how to tackle the current illegal situation, or how to round the ones who choose to stay illegal. I'll wait and see the fighting within Congress to see how this pans out. And I don't think it will.

No, he just knows that a certain type of conservative stayed home in the 2000 election and he's learned he can't count on them.

Absolutely spot-on! They're the weak, watery sorts of "conservatives" who claim repeatedly, on these boards, to have been "devoted lifelong Republicans"... and yet (oddly enough) are the very first to yelp like so many spanked spaniel puppies that "ah'ma gonna vote fer thet thar Super-Duper Constitutionalist Party this year, by gum, by jingo!" like clockwork, two or three times per day.

Facts are hard, cruel things... and this is one of them: anyone allowing any extremist liberal Democrat (like, say, Howard Dean) to take nationwide power -- whether by p!ssing their vote away in a sulk, or else staying home on Election Day and pouting -- is no more "conservative" than Michael Moore, or Hillary Clinton.

I'd always wondered what it must look like inside an asylum, once the inmates had taken over. These past few days, on this board, have actually afforded me some invaluable insights, in that regard.