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DUMPING CONSERVATIVES AT THE BORDER
Laura's Weekly E-Blast ^ | 1/8/2004 | LAURA INGRAHAM

Posted on 01/08/2004 3:34:13 PM PST by kellynla

I am beginning to think John McCain actually won the presidency in 2000.

Conservatives were relieved when the Straight Talk Express petered out during the 2000 primary season. John McCain, although tough on national security and runaway spending, was hardly a conservative on major issues such as campaign finance, healthcare reform and immigration.

Yet this is exactly where we find President Bush today (except unlike McCain, Bush doesn’t seem to have much of a problem with runaway spending). Last year President George Bush signed the McCain-Feingold bill into law, which is one of the worst assaults on political speech this country has ever seen. When conservatives (and many liberals) howled, the President’s advisers whispered that they believed the Supreme Court would “clean up” the more onerous parts of the bill which dictates the types of political ads that can air before a general election or primary contest. Of course the Supreme Court rubber stamped the entire thing and so the result is less, not more political speech in the U.S.

And now President Bush charges across the landscape to rescue us from our “unfair” and “broken” immigration system by rewarding people who came here illegally with the promise of legal status. This proposal essentially mirrors the immigration legislation sponsored by—you got it—Sen. McCain. Under the Bush/McCain plan, anyone outside the U.S. who wants to come into the country would only need to show proof of a “job offer” in order to get an initial three-year work permit that would be renewable for an unspecified period. Such temporary workers could also bring family members here. What prevents these people from staying on beyond their time premitted for "temporary" work? As it stands now, there seems to be no limit on the immigration —temporary or permanent— allowed under this plan. And as for the claim that this would be a big boon to the American economy? Illegal immigration costs taxpayers $20 billion each year, in extra education, healthcare, welfare, and prison costs. Today thirty-four percent of Mexicans legally in the U.S., and 25 percent of Mexicans illegally here are welfare.

How are those costs diminished under the Bush plan?

Most bewildering is the Administration idea that this plan is necessary for homeland security reasons. On the contrary, it would not be surprising if some would-be terrorists are among the millions of illegals who will become “documented” under the Bush plan. As Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) charged, "Guest worker programs and gradual amnesty provide cover for terrorists."

It’s easy to understand why Vicente Fox, McCain, big business, and La Raza are happy this week—but what’s in this new proposal for working class American families? How about those immigrants who a lot of time and money to comply with our immigration laws?

The real answer is absolutely nothing. The only reasonable prediction is that wages for a wide range of jobs will be kept artificially depressed by outside workers—now with “legal status” will work for peanuts. “I have worked construction for 30 years as a truck driver (18-wheeler),” wrote one of my listeners, “And every year my pay has gone down because Mexicans are flooding the trucking industry…."

When Bill Clinton says we live in an “increasingly borderless world,” we’re not surprised. It’s the usual globaloney blather. But when a Republican president advocates a policy that will make our borders effectively meaningless, we should be outraged.

With his approval numbers high, President Bush has made a devil’s bargain with business and Hispanic groups. Elites from both parties are ignoring the view of a strong majority of Americans that we need to stop illegal immigration, not high-five it.

Another listener wonders: “What happened to the ‘party of principle’? More like the party of pandering. Considering the massive numbers involved, this amnesty being floated really is Pandora's Box, once opened cannot be closed.”

President Bush has now done the equivalent of posting a sign at the border: “Help Wanted for $5.15/hour.”

Conservatives are right to be disappointed in President Bush. We are right to ignore the Administration’s promise that this time, non-amnesty amnesty will be good for the American people. Our citizenship and legal residence should be reserved for people who love this country enough that breaking her laws—whether at the border or on the street—is out of the question. The next time I hear from his Administration that it is doing all it can to protect our homeland, secure our borders, and increase our standard of living, I will laugh.

Now I know the definition of “compassionate conservative:” a person who campaigns as a conservative, then sells out key conservative principles.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amateurtalker; biggovernment; culturewar; gop; illegal; illegalimmigration; immigration; invasion; lauraingraham; rushwannabe; thenannystate; thewelfarestate; toonspardonuscrooks; w2; welfarestate
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To: kellynla
"And just how do you think we managed before 1970?"

kelly, you truly think that undocumented illegal aliens crossing the SW border is something that did not exist before the 1970's?

Girl!

But you are incredibly naive!

The problem with an increasing illegal alien population began when we started "controlling" the border.

Before, migrant workers would come in, work, and go home when harvesting season was over, then, they became afraid of not being able to rerurn to their jobs if they returned home, and they decided to stay here.

121 posted on 01/08/2004 5:57:36 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
>>If a person overstaying their temporary visa decides to fade into the society, how would you go about finding them?<<

My sincere, not sarcastic, question is this:

If we have that problem now, and we do, why should we expect that after allowing untold numbers of more immigrants in, that they will not overstay THEIR legal status, thus compounding the problem, and so on, and so on, and so on?

It seems to me that what Bush has said does not address this very fundamental issue. Maybe I missed it, honestly. But I think this is a legitimate concern.
122 posted on 01/08/2004 5:58:49 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Don't forget the 88,000+ miles of coastline?" you must have gone to public schools! ROFLMAO I believe the coastline of the continental USA is about 12K miles last time I checked. Now if you know some Mexicans who can swim from Mexico to LA, Honolulu or NYC you be sure and let me know cause I'm gonna want to sign them up for the Olympics immediately. ROFLMAO But I believe the Coast Guard has the coastline pretty well covered but thank you for your sincere concern.
123 posted on 01/08/2004 5:59:09 PM PST by kellynla ("C" 1/5 1st Mar. Div. U.S.M.C. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi! HAPPY NEW YEAR!)
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To: skeeter
Exactly, whothehell wants a "kinder and gentler" gov't? ....Or a "compassionate" one, for that matter. I just want them to get out of my wallet, my gun rack, and my face. ......and to protect the damn borders against illegal invasion. Too much to ask? Apparently so.
124 posted on 01/08/2004 6:01:09 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: SerpentDove
Again, what do we do about the millions already here?

Bush inherited this problem, he did not invent it, nor did he personally escort them in.

Now, we are all pissed about these ten million illegal aliens hiding in society.

How do we go about identifying, arresting, and deporting ten million people without violating every civil and constitutional right we hold dear?

And I'm not talking about the constitutional rights of illegal aliens, I'm talking about the constitutional rights of the rest of us who will have to live through it.
125 posted on 01/08/2004 6:02:50 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Why hang around here, jefe? Haven't you gotten what you wanted? Now it's just a matter of rubbing our noses in it...
126 posted on 01/08/2004 6:04:32 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: kellynla

Coastline of the United States

  Lengths, statute miles
State General
coastline1
Tidal
shoreline2
Atlantic Coast:    
  Maine 228 3,478
  New Hampshire 13 131
  Massachusetts 192 1,519
  Rhode Island 40 384
  Connecticut 618
  New York 127 1,850
  New Jersey 130 1,792
  Pennsylvania 89
  Delaware 28 381
  Maryland 31 3,190
  Virginia 112 3,315
  North Carolina 301 3,375
  South Carolina 187 2,876
  Georgia 100 2,344
  Florida (Atlantic) 580 3,331
    Total Atlantic Coast 2,069 28,673
     
Gulf Coast:    
  Florida (Gulf) 770 5,095
  Alabama 53 607
  Mississippi 44 359
  Louisiana 397 7,721
  Texas 367 3,359
    Total Gulf Coast 1,631 17,141
Pacific Coast:    
  California 840 3,427
  Oregon 296 1,410
  Washington 157 3,026
  Hawaii 750 1,052
  Alaska (Pacific) 5,580 31,383
    Total Pacific Coast 7,623 40,298
Arctic Coast:    
  Alaska (Arctic) 1,060 2,521
    Total Arctic Coast 1,060 2,521
States Total 12,383 88,633

127 posted on 01/08/2004 6:04:32 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Girl?" If you check my tagline you will realize that I have the wrong plumbing to be called "girl"...and BTW migrant workers with working visas have worked legally here for generations...you really are starting to bore me with your inane comments and ridiculous questions...I think you had better take a siesta cause I have better things to do than to debate any longer with someone who is ignorant of the facts. Buenas noches, amigo!
128 posted on 01/08/2004 6:06:32 PM PST by kellynla ("C" 1/5 1st Mar. Div. U.S.M.C. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi! HAPPY NEW YEAR!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Do you know what "tidal shoreline" means???? Evidently not! ROFLMAO
129 posted on 01/08/2004 6:07:47 PM PST by kellynla ("C" 1/5 1st Mar. Div. U.S.M.C. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi! HAPPY NEW YEAR!)
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To: kellynla
"Now if you know some Mexicans who can swim from Mexico to LA, Honolulu or NYC you be sure and let me know cause I'm gonna want to sign them up for the Olympics immediately."

You're crossing over from naive, to stupid.

Florida is one of the States with the highest number of illegal aliens in the nation, and what border do we share?

Alabama?

Georgia?

But we do get tons of boat loads of illegal aliens brought in by smugglers from Haiti, Cuba, The Dominican Republic, Jamaica...

The tidal shorelines of the US, our off-shore islands and cays, are American soil, and Cuban rafters use them to gain entry, as do Haitians, Dominicans, etc.

Shut down the SW border, and the coyotes go sea bound.

We have problems stopping tons of cocaine and pot coming in yearly, and you think that the Coast Guard will be able to handle the drug smugglers, AND the coyotes?

The solution is to eliminate the problem, the most logical one is to document temporary workers. It worked before, it will work again.

130 posted on 01/08/2004 6:11:27 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
What do we do about the illegals?

Let me agree with DrDeb, I am NO KIND of expert. I don't know. And I am willing to listen to all sides, and am trying to keep an open mind.

But it seems to me that when the Mexican newspapers headline with Mexicans cheering and vowing to pour over the border in numbers unknown heretofore, coupled with the inefficiency of the current way of doing things, it troubles with me.

It seems to me that we are being told that while immigrants are going to be rushing over the border, this time the system is going to work, even though the system is pretty well screwed right now. Supposedly it will work sure this time. Honest.

It doesn't add up to me. That's all.
131 posted on 01/08/2004 6:11:36 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: kellynla
You educate me kelly...go ahead, I'll await your definition.
132 posted on 01/08/2004 6:12:10 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The solution is to eliminate the problem . . .

The root of the problem is in Mexico. Send the illegals back and let them find a solution.

133 posted on 01/08/2004 6:14:09 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I'd like to ask you again--

Are you just here to rub our noses in Bush's betrayal? What do you want from us?

134 posted on 01/08/2004 6:15:31 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mr. Mojo
Exactly, whothehell wants a "kinder and gentler" gov't? ....Or a "compassionate" one, for that matter. I just want them to get out of my wallet, my gun rack, and my face. ......and to protect the damn borders against illegal invasion. Too much to ask? Apparently so.

Our compassionate Big Government Saviors in DC are nothing but Poverty Pimps.

135 posted on 01/08/2004 6:15:36 PM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: Mamzelle
"Bush's betrayal"?

ROTFLMAO!!!!

I want to laugh at your sky is falling, chicken little rhetoric!

136 posted on 01/08/2004 6:16:33 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Kevin Curry
And while we're at it, let's cure cancer, the common cold, and myopia!

Thanks Kevin!

We got a lot done tonight!
137 posted on 01/08/2004 6:17:29 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Dane
If that person crossed the border illegally that makes him or her a criminal. I don't care why they crossed the border, just that they crossed the border. Deport them
138 posted on 01/08/2004 6:17:42 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: SerpentDove
It seems to me that what Bush has said does not address this very fundamental issue.

I think this policy has very little to do with solving the "illegal immigration" issue. What this is an H-1B replacement policy wrapped up in an illegal immigration solution package. Illegal immigrants have absolutely no incentive to sign up for these visa's. They already are working here and getting paid under the table and they do not have to pay taxes. Most likely they are getting paid better as illegal. What this is a work visa program that will enable any company to hire any worker from any country in America. This is his gift to corporate America, he added the aspect about illegal immigrants so that the real issue is not even on most peoples radar screen.

139 posted on 01/08/2004 6:18:03 PM PST by blueriver
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Laugh away. He won't get any new Hispanic votes, but he'll be losing a good many from his base.

Maybe that's what you're really after--dangle the hope of Hispanic votes, then see him defeated.

140 posted on 01/08/2004 6:18:37 PM PST by Mamzelle
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