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Ummm. There are just a few civil war buffs out there that might not have known, like I didn't, about this.

So, another reason I like being a member of the party of Lincoln!
1 posted on 01/07/2004 10:38:13 PM PST by gobucks
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2 posted on 01/07/2004 10:40:18 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: gobucks
But it was okay for Grant to slaughter white Christian southerners, though, right?
3 posted on 01/07/2004 10:43:36 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: gobucks
In 1862, in the heat of the Civil War, General Ulysses S. Grant initiated one of the most blatant official episodes of anti-Semitism in 19th-century American history. In December of that year, Grant issued his infamous General Order No. 11, which expelled all Jews from Kentucky, Tennessee and Mississippi:

This doesnt sound right, the Union wasnt occupying those three states already in 1862 were they? Especially Mississippi I would think. Im sure someone on here knows this and will correct me if im wrong.
5 posted on 01/07/2004 10:48:11 PM PST by Husker24
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To: gobucks
Did Grant, like Hillary, ever refer to anyone as a F*****g Jew B*****d?
6 posted on 01/07/2004 10:49:25 PM PST by freebilly
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To: gobucks
That is very interesting story and this is quite frankly the first I have heard of this. However, I urge readers to click on the link and get the whole story. Grant revoked the order 3 weeks after Lincoln heard of this and carried the Jewish vote later in life.
19 posted on 01/07/2004 11:51:12 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: gobucks
I would like to know if there ever was a military occupation that didn't result in some sort of smuggling and black market.
20 posted on 01/08/2004 12:14:20 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: gobucks
Grant ain't got nothing on Europe today when it comes to anti-semitism!
22 posted on 01/08/2004 2:08:47 AM PST by Fledermaus (We gave the Saudi terrorist VISA's, let's make them guest workers now also!)
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To: gobucks
“Every colonel, captain or quartermaster is in a secret partnership with some operator in cotton;"

Carpetbaggers

29 posted on 01/08/2004 5:08:53 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: gobucks; billbears; 4ConservativeJustices; GOPcapitalist
So, another reason I like being a member of the party of Lincoln!

Grant is part of the same party. His presidency was plagued with corruption, speculation, overcharging, scamming taxes, and "gift" appointments to his buddies. On the other hand the CSA had J.P. Benjamin, the president's right-hand man.

30 posted on 01/08/2004 5:24:48 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: gobucks
Other than this incident (and Grant contended he didn't read the order he signed), Grant never displayed hostility toward Jews. It's a non event.

Grant was incensed at the permits allowing cotton to be shipped to northern factories, feeling that it was providing support to the enemy, as it was.

Left out of this article is Grant's off and on relationship with his father, and his embarrassment at the fact that his father's firm, a partnership with a Jewish trader, was one of the largest cotton traders. There has been speculation that the order may have been Grant's way of eliminating that embarrassment without having to confront his father directly.

35 posted on 01/08/2004 7:19:17 AM PST by SJackson
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To: gobucks
This story leaves out some important information. the author seems to have neglected the very basic process of checking the primary documents and correspondence related to the incident in question.

A cursory look at the Official Records of the War of the Rebellion will reveal a short but illustrative chain of correspondence regarding the banning of "Jews" in the military zone mentioned. At the time there was evidence that a group of merchants were purchasing cotton with gold, directly from disloyal planters and low level Confederate authorities and bribing ship captains to transport this cotton to the north. This violated military security and it was putting gold into the enemy's hands. The merchants involved in the questionable dealings were believed to be Jews but their exact identity and location were unknown (like most smugglers, they moved around a lot). The ban on their movement south was an apparent attempt to keep them from going north, cashing in their illegal shipments and returning with more gold for future business deals with the enemy.

I am not saying the policy was right but there was a lot more to this story than the article mentions.
45 posted on 01/08/2004 8:38:39 AM PST by XRdsRev
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To: gobucks
Original documents and correspondence relating to Grant's expulsion order
51 posted on 01/08/2004 10:18:53 AM PST by Alouette (Proud parent of an IDF recruit!)
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