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To: Thumper1960
Excuse me, but how does a guest worker program controlled from DC 'lose our sovereignty'. It's an expression of sovereignty to define our immigration laws. We've had almost 100 million immigrants in the last 200+ years, and descendents of immigrants make up, oh, 90%+ of our population.

How come our sovereignty isnt already gone???!?
53 posted on 01/07/2004 8:07:58 PM PST by WOSG
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To: WOSG
Excuse me, but how does a guest worker program controlled from DC 'lose our sovereignty'. It's an expression of sovereignty to define our immigration laws. We've had almost 100 million immigrants in the last 200+ years, and descendents of immigrants make up, oh, 90%+ of our population. How come our sovereignty isnt already gone???!?
One primary condition of the classical definition of sovereignty is "controlling the borders". So, the point is that if the borders are not controlled there can be no sovereignty. The suggestion is that this change in policy and/or law will loose control of the borders.
As for the numbers of immigrants. You're missing the point. It isn't aggregate numbers that matters here but the rate of immigration vs. our ability to assimilate. No nation in history has ever been able to absorb the staggering numbers (and percentages of it's 'native' population) of immigrants in the time frame we're looking at and still survive intact. It will utterly destroy the country. We'll quickly slide to third world status. Listen to me now hear me later. If implemented this is the beginning of the end of the greatest and most powerful nation in human history.
59 posted on 01/07/2004 8:20:36 PM PST by ableChair
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To: WOSG
Controlled immigration is the key. Knowing who has come into the country, where they're from, what possible diseases they may carry, what links they may or may not have to known terror groups, the whole number allowed in, etc.

The point is not to eliminate immigration. It is to control who comes in and how many to admit. When a nation cannot give an accurate count of the number of illegals in its midst, it is vulnerable to a host of problems. Increased crime, increased burdens on infrastructure, increased burdens on the educational and medical systems...to name a few. It is the failure to enforce laws designed to define national borders that contributes to a loss of sovereignty. Bowing to the demands of foreign states which demand that their unwanted be allowed to cross borders without interference is a loss of sovereignty. The euphemism "guest worker" used to describe this amnesty is a lie cloaked in fancy dress. Those illegals who seek legal status have no loyalty to this country, nor have they pledged fealty to the United States of America. They come for financial and selfish gain...period. Without fealty to this nation and our laws, customs and national and historic traditions, the illegal who comes for selfish purposes carries with him foreign cultures and traditions independent and alien to this nation and its best interests.

66 posted on 01/07/2004 8:27:48 PM PST by Thumper1960
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