[Keith in Iowa]

What's wrong with it is there are no provisions for turning off influx of illegals - they will do nothing to stem the tides at the borders

If they sealed the borders first, I'd support a guest worker program.

[Support Free Republic]

Hey, I don't mean to be nosey...

... but I'd really like some bacon,
or some help for FR.

[kingu]

Interesting comments, but, uhh, this ain't McCain's proposal, so I'm wondering why it's being posted in response to Bush's plan.

[Thumper1960]

Bend over and kiss "it" goodbye.

We're about to lose our sovreignty. Our definition of state. Our language. Our culture and our uniquely American way of life. The rule of law is about to become meaningless. I never thought that I'd live to see the day when a Republican president would commit such a heinous act and surrender our borders to criminals and alien ideals.

This is sickening to me.

[sunryse]

>THE TRUTH is that when the economy takes a downturn, there >will be millions of guestworkers in the U.S. without a >job, without a home, without health care, and with no >intention of returning to their home countries. The >guestworkers’ unemployment problems become the public’s >burden.

It is my understanding that if they aren't working, they have to go. With "illegal", it might be easier to deport.

[nutmeg]

read later

[thoughtomator]

The author does not understand the proposal he is commenting on. Sad he wasted his time writing this.

[Pelham]

bump

[WOSG]

THEY SAY that the overwhelming majority of people entering the country illegally pose no threat to our country and that if we allow them enter in a lawful manner, we will enhance our homeland security. THE TRUTH is that there are an estimated 8-11 million illegal aliens in the United States, and it only took 19 to perpetrate the attacks of September 11.

See, this is exactly what's wrong with the argument about this. Somehow people who merely want to work for a living in a land of opportunity are conflated with terrorists. That's an incendiary charge. It basically amounts to a slander against many people.

We also see this confusion between somet How is increasing *legal* immigration a bad thing if the real problem is *illegal* immigration? Or is it anti-any-immigration that is going on?

Our documentation security and border security is indeed enhanced if we can find a way to disincentivize the massive law-breaking so the PROBLEM OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION BECOMES SMALLER. The guest worker program is an "out" and a way to track the illegal immigrants. Combined with documentation verification provisions and ways to more truly enforce laws against non-complying employers, and we could indeed 'drain the swamp' of illegal immigration. But you need carrot as well as stick techniques; sadly, niether side is willing to try both.

"THEY SAY that the overwhelming majority of people entering the country illegally pose no threat to our country" is indeed correct wrt national security.

Someone else here said: "The author does not understand the proposal he is commenting on. Sad he wasted his time writing this." ... I agree.

[fatso]

Michelle Malkin


The criminal raid on Social Security





My eight-week-old son's Social Security card recently arrived in the mail. On the back, there's a stern warning: "Improper use of this card or number by anyone is punishable by fine, imprisonment or both." Welcome to the world of government theft and selective enforcement, my boy.


While innocent babes who have yet to earn a penny are threatened with jail time for misusing Social Security cards, the Bush administration appears set this week to turn the ailing government pension program into an international relief fund for illegal alien workers who used counterfeit Social Security cards and stolen numbers to secure illegal jobs.


Unlike the bedtime stories I tell at night, I am not making this up.


This belated gift to the open-borders lobby and President Mexican Vicente Fox is part of a larger amnesty plan that has been in the works since before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. So, why exactly are we rewarding a country that has been obstinately opposed to the War on Terror? Go ask Mr. Brilliant, Karl Rove. This I do know: It couldn't have come at a worse time from either a fiscal or national security standpoint.


According to Rep. Clay Shaw (R-Fla.), chairman of House Ways and Means subcommittee on Social Security, benefits paid to retirees will exceed revenues in just 15 years. The pay-as-you-go system could go belly up as early as 2030. These projections don't take into account the economic impact of the Bush proposal, which would allow untold millions of illegal aliens from Mexico to collect full cash benefits for themselves and their families from their home country — without having to work the required number of years that law-abiding American citizens must work to be eligible for payouts.


JWR columnist Joel Mowbray, who first exposed this treachery a year ago, noted that this raw deal may well cost overburdened U.S. taxpayers $345 billion over the next 20 years. Probably much more. As we know from experience, Social Security projections are notoriously off the mark.


The bureaucrats call this scheme "totalization." Try total prostration. The proposed agreement is nothing more than a transfer of wealth from those who play by the rules to those who willingly and knowingly mock our own immigration and tax laws. What are we doing promising lifetime Social Security paychecks to day laborers in Juarez when we can't even guarantee those benefits to workers here at home?







Unbelievably, the White House is trying to convince us to embrace this global ripoff because it "rewards work." No, it rewards criminal behavior. The plan will siphon off the hard-earned tax dollars of American workers who may never see a dime of their confiscated earnings and fork it over to foreigners guilty of at least four acts of federal law-breaking: crossing the border illegally, working illegally, engaging in tax fraud, and using bogus documents.


Giving money to scam artists will simply result in more fraud — not only by Mexican agricultural workers, but also by Middle Easterners such as Youssef Hmimssa, who provided fake Social Security numbers and fraudulent drivers' licenses to members of an accused terrorist cell in Detroit. "If you have the right connection, you can get anything," he testified before the Senate last fall.


The door is now open for all illegal aliens to collect retirement benefits using bogus Social Security cards. What's next: survivors' benefits for the families of the nineteen Sept. 11 hijackers?

[longtermmemmory]

BTW the statement that an employer must show no us citizen wants the job is pretty much the US law now. Just now it is for skilled labor not unskilled.

[WOSG]

THEY SAY that the legislation is not an amnesty, but that guestworkers who participate in the program will be eligible for permanent resident status. THE TRUTH is that the proposal would be an amnesty with an “apprenticeship” provision. Illegal aliens who are already in the U.S. would be eligible to apply. Thus, they would be excused for having violated our immigration laws in the first place, and then be rewarded again with permanent residency--thus making the law, in effect, a double amnesty. Calling it something else does not change the reality that this proposal is a massive amnesty program.

This guy is lying. The proposal quite clearly continues to control the 'green card' status through the same channels as before, and so the number of people getting permanent residency would increase. So there cant be a huge amnesty unless the number of green card approvals - currently in the 140,000 range is massively increased. Even if it were doubled to 280,000 it would take *40 years* to have all 8-11 million illegals get green cards. IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN UNDER THIS PLAN.

This is a plan to divert illegals into 3 streams: US citizen wannabes, revolving door workers, and *deportees*.

I think the program would be a total FLOP if there were no documentation & enforcement elements. Why? Then the illegals would have little incentive to get into this program, it is just a trap to track them. OTOH, it would instead be a swamp-drainer if combined with greater enforcement. Then any illegal would jump into the program rather than risk deportation. Carrot & stick would work to drain the swamp of illegal immigration.

[luvbach1]

Excellent post. But discouraging.

[Edit35]

Massive immigration from Latin America is a BIGGER THREAT to the American way of life than AlQaeda ever was, or probably will be.

Not to be crude, but we can withstand a few bombs. Heck, we can even fight back and stop the killers.

What we cannot do is continue to absorb millions and millions of people who will not assimilate, and who seem to have more pride in their home country than they do in America.

[djf]

This is a slap in the face to any American who paid a fine for not wearing a seatbelt. It is a slap in the face to any American doing hard time for having a nickle bag of weed. It is a slap in the face to all those honest immigrants who waited their turn.

[gubamyster]

ping

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

Does anyone have data on last amnesty of excess people
brought in legally by people who were granted amnesty?

[Brian Allen]

From: Brian Richard Allen

eMail: brian@.............com

For Secretary Ridge, please:

Hi there, Mr secretary.

I notice that today's national terroristic "Threat Advisory" is "High" and suggest that if the administration of which you are part was "on the job" and was willing to accept its responsibility to protect America's Sovereign Borders and rid our nation of the millions of invading and colonizing criminal aliens with which we are becoming inundated -- there would be no appreciable danger.

I put it to you, that is, that President Bush's administration is an accessory to and after the fact of the threat.

A foreign born American [AMERICAN-American, that is] -- and one whose life's ambition was realized in the process of becoming American -- I joined the Republican Party [And the NRA] before I was even eligible for Naturalization. I have subsequently supported every Republican Candidate for public office it has been within my ability to support.

Now, however, I must tell you that -- especially after having spent thousands of hours of my life and watched my family members spend thousands of hours of their lives standing in lines in all weathers waiting while the [For the most part hatred-and-rage-consumed] employees of the so-called Immigration and Naturalization "Service" waded through the processing of the millions of invading criminal aliens by whom they have long been beseiged -- and get to me and to my family members; I am so disgusted by President Bush's administrative failure in the area of the protection of our beloved fraternal republic's borders, language and culture that until and unless the present policies are reversed and moves are made toward rounding up and deporting every last criminal alien, I will not support another Republican.

Interestingly, nor will any of my family members nor any of my hundreds of friends and political-activist aquaintances.

I thank you, Mr Secretary, for your anticipated kind attention to this note.

Best regards.

Sincerely -- Brian

[ETERNAL WARMING]

Republicans have turned me from a staunch supporter into a staunch enemy. I vow to work against them at every single opportunity. I'll send a check to anyone running against any Republican who participates in this bonanza for illegals, and travesty for American workers and taxpayers.

If you've already contacted them...DO IT AGAIN! Do it morning, noon and night! Give them not one seconds peace!
Get on your homeboys, people. Unless we get the numbers which will make them fear for re-election, it will be all over. There will be no going back. This is the showdown on the Immigration Issue. If you've been following along, you know that these people are costing the American taxpayers billions per year. They're taking jobs away from hardworking American citizens. They're draining our resources and giving very little back. This is it. If this is allowed to pass, we can quite literally kiss this nation goodbye. The massive population transfer that will take place is unspeakable. Do it now! Fight for your country and way of life!@


PUT A STOP TO IT NOW OR WE CAN KISS THIS NATION GOODBYE...LITERALLY.

It's NOT a migration, it's an invasion! Don't let them get away with this! SCREAM! Call toll free:

Whitehouse: 202-456-1414

Comment Line: 202-456-6213 and 202-456-1111

House and Senate: 1-800-648-3516

Rep. Nat'l Committee" 202-863-8500 (not toll free)

Senate: http://www.senate.gov/

Congress: http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html

Department of Homeland Defense: http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/contactus

Department of Justice/John Ashcroft AskDOJ@usdoj.gov 202-353-1555

President Bush's Campaign BushCheney04@GeorgeWBush.com 703.647.2700

Republican National Committee info@rnc.org 202.863.8500

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