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What's Wrong With the Proposals for a New Guestworker Program?
fairus ^ | jan 04 | fairus

Posted on 01/07/2004 6:12:00 PM PST by VU4G10

Proposals for a massive new "guestworker" program would:

The politicians pushing a guestworker amnesty know that Americans staunchly oppose amnesty, and so they shy away from calling it what it really is, instead cloaking it in terms like "earned legalization" or "normalization of status."  They are deliberately misleading the American public.

THEY SAY that the overwhelming majority of people entering the country illegally pose no threat to our country and that if we allow them enter in a lawful manner, we will enhance our homeland security.

THE TRUTH is that there are an estimated 8-11 million illegal aliens in the United States, and it only took 19 to perpetrate the attacks of September 11.  Our immigration system has become overburdened and unmanageable due to mass illegal immigration.  As a result, there is little reason to feel confident that, absent a massive infusion of new resources, which is highly unlikely given current fiscal realities, anything approaching thorough background checks can be conducted on applicants for a guestworker program.  Even without the added burden of an amnesty, people like Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman, the blind Egyptian cleric who masterminded the first World Trade Center bombing, and Mohammed Atta, the leader of the September 11 attacks, managed to slip through the screening process.  There is every reason to believe that adding new responsibilities to an overtaxed system will make us less safe.

No one has yet explained how the millions of applicants would be given security checks or whether that’s even remotely feasible, given an already overburdened immigration enforcement system. Immigration officials would have to deal with hundreds of thousands of more applicants a year, to say nothing of how we would verify eligibility for any of the eight million potential applicants already here illegally, particularly with many of them armed with false identity documents.  When the immigration system can’t adequately perform its most essential mission, adding in the responsibility for security checks, tracking, and removal when necessary for millions of participants in a guestworker program will guarantee disaster.

THEY SAY that the legislation is not an amnesty, but that guestworkers who participate in the program will be eligible for permanent resident status.

THE TRUTH is that the proposal would be an amnesty with an “apprenticeship” provision.  Illegal aliens who are already in the U.S. would  be eligible to apply.  Thus, they would be excused for having violated our immigration laws in the first place, and then be rewarded again with permanent residency--thus making the law, in effect, a double amnesty.  Calling it something else does not change the reality that this proposal is a massive amnesty program.

THEY SAY the program will help regain control of the borders and stop illegal immigration.

THE TRUTH is that the proposal does nothing to discourage future illegal immigration or enforcement of our immigration laws, ensuring that any guestworker or illegal alien who wants to remain in the U.S. can and will.  In fact, about one-third of illegal aliens in the country right now arrived on legal visas and simply never went home.  In addition, it does nothing to strengthen border security to ensure that only guestworkers, and not terrorists, are being admitted.

THEY SAY that spouses and children of illegal aliens may also be eligible to participate in the visa program.

THE TRUTH is that this would be an amnesty not only for those who qualify for this “guestworker” program, but a simultaneous amnesty for their dependents, whether or not they are workers.  Aside from expanding the amnesty to include non-workers, it also grants a benefit to the dependents of illegal aliens that is not afforded to the families of other guestworkers who never violated the law.  Moreover, it undermines the stated – if flawed – purpose of a guestworker program:  that foreign workers come temporarily and then return home.  Employers would be able to utilize a virtually limitless supply of guestworkers at low wages, while the expense for services like education and health care for dependent family members would have to be picked up by taxpayers.

THEY SAY that an electronic job registry operated through the Department of Labor will allow employers to post jobs and American workers would have the first chance to apply.  Moreover, the jobs would have to be offered again at the end of the three-year period, and that workers’ visas would be renewed only if no Americans are willing to take them.

THE TRUTH is that in the estimation of the General Accounting Office and former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, the provisions in existing guestworker programs that are intended to ensure that American workers get first crack at jobs have been a complete failure.  Even if the political will existed to prevent employers from bypassing American workers in favor of foreign guestworkers – which there doesn’t – the Labor Department does not have the resources to monitor the hiring process.  A federal government that managed to fine a grand total of 13 employers nationwide in 2002 for violating employer sanctions laws cannot be counted on to enforce the provisions of a guestworker program either.

THEY SAY that BSIIA would be a market-driven program that will negate the reasons why employers hire illegal aliens.

THE TRUTH is that under BSIIA, there would not even be a prevailing wage requirement, meaning that employers will be able to offer wages far below what most Americans would be willing to accept, thereby creating an artificial need for guestworkers.  In effect, the law would grant legal sanction to employers who want to hire workers at low wages and limited leverage.  One of the primary purposes of our immigration laws is to prevent employers from undermining wages and working conditions of American workers.

THEY SAY that the program would prevent abuse of foreign workers by affording them mobility and the ability to file grievances against abusive employers.

THE TRUTH is that the mobility of guestworkers would still be very limited and their ability to change jobs would depend on finding another employer who was willing to go through the procedure of posting a job and wading through the bureaucratic red tape.  The primary interest of the workers would be to hold a job for six years in order to qualify for permanent residency.  Moreover, at the end of the “apprenticeship” period, when the guestworker would be granted permanent residency and would gain bargaining power, there is no reason to expect that the employer would not seek another guestworker who is willing to work at below-market wages.

THEY SAY that the program would prevent deaths along the border.

THE TRUTH is that U.S. immigration laws are not responsible for the deaths along the border – it is the violation of our immigration laws that is  responsible.  If there is any culpability on the part of the American government, it is in its failure to deter illegal immigration by aggressively enforcing laws that prohibit illegal aliens from working here or accessing public benefits.  Sending a clear signal that illegal entry to the U.S. will not be rewarded would have the desired effect of dissuading people from placing their lives and safety into the hands of unscrupulous smugglers.  Besides, when the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (BICE) adopted a measure that demonstrably cut down the likelihood of border deaths – by repatriating illegal alien crossers who were apprehended in Arizona to border towns in Texas – the open borders lobby protested, charging that the program was unfair to illegal aliens.

THEY SAY the program will provide workers when and while they’re needed.

THE TRUTH is that when the economy takes a downturn, there will be millions of guestworkers in the U.S. without a job, without a home, without health care, and with no intention of returning to their home countries.  The guestworkers’ unemployment problems become the public’s burden.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; guestworkers; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; mexico; nationalsecurity
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1 posted on 01/07/2004 6:12:01 PM PST by VU4G10
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To: VU4G10

What's wrong with it is there are no provisions for turning off influx of illegals - they will do nothing to stem the tides at the borders

If they sealed the borders first, I'd support a guest worker program.

2 posted on 01/07/2004 6:15:26 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (The only good news for Democrats is they could save $$ by switching to Geico.)
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To: All
Hey, I don't mean to be nosey...
... but I'd really like some bacon,
or some help for FR.

3 posted on 01/07/2004 6:16:56 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Freepers post from sun to sun, but a fundraiser bot's work is never done.)
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To: VU4G10
Interesting comments, but, uhh, this ain't McCain's proposal, so I'm wondering why it's being posted in response to Bush's plan.
4 posted on 01/07/2004 6:17:40 PM PST by kingu
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To: Keith in Iowa
AND with the provision that any illegals here would have to return to their home country, and reapply for guest worker status. Any caught here after a certain date would be deported with NO CHANCE AT Guest worker status , or other visa. They also need to make sure that the guest worker program is tightly controlled with real teeth for violations.

But realistically, none of this is going to happen until we have a major catastrophe as a result of our lax border control and immigration policy. Then God help the responsible politicians when the populace vents it's wrath.
5 posted on 01/07/2004 6:20:27 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: VU4G10
Bend over and kiss "it" goodbye.

We're about to lose our sovreignty. Our definition of state. Our language. Our culture and our uniquely American way of life. The rule of law is about to become meaningless. I never thought that I'd live to see the day when a Republican president would commit such a heinous act and surrender our borders to criminals and alien ideals.

This is sickening to me.

6 posted on 01/07/2004 6:27:09 PM PST by Thumper1960
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To: Keith in Iowa
"If they sealed the borders first, I'd support a guest worker program.".. they didn't seal them after the other amnesties.. national security didn't make them seal the borders.. the 9/11 attack didn't urge them to seal the borders..what makes you think that yet another amnesty will make them seal the borders?
7 posted on 01/07/2004 6:28:42 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004 Primary)
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To: Zipporah
>>...what makes you think that yet another amnesty will make them seal the borders?

Nothing. They don't have the testicular fortitude to do it. Neither party does.
8 posted on 01/07/2004 6:30:47 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (The only good news for Democrats is they could save $$ by switching to Geico.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
.. disheartening isn't it?
9 posted on 01/07/2004 6:31:19 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004 Primary)
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To: VU4G10
>THE TRUTH is that when the economy takes a downturn, there >will be millions of guestworkers in the U.S. without a >job, without a home, without health care, and with no >intention of returning to their home countries. The >guestworkers’ unemployment problems become the public’s >burden.

It is my understanding that if they aren't working, they have to go. With "illegal", it might be easier to deport.
10 posted on 01/07/2004 6:31:54 PM PST by sunryse
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To: Keith in Iowa
What's wrong with it is there are no provisions for turning off influx of illegals - they will do nothing to stem the tides at the borders

As wrong as that aspect of it is, I think what's even worse is that another amnesty will probably encourage even more illegal immigrants to become part of that tide.

11 posted on 01/07/2004 6:32:08 PM PST by Bob
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To: nutmeg
read later
12 posted on 01/07/2004 6:33:07 PM PST by nutmeg (Is the DemocRATic party extinct yet?)
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To: Thumper1960
coming to a neighborhood near you:


13 posted on 01/07/2004 6:34:24 PM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Keith in Iowa; Zipporah
I'm not just flaming out here... I'm genuinely interested in your approach: How do we "seal" 22,000 miles of border? Lots of people throw that out as if it were like locking a gate. But how is it actually done?

Checkpoints every few miles on every highway? Everybody carries a passport or other "papers" to prove they are a citizen?
14 posted on 01/07/2004 6:36:03 PM PST by Ramius
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To: KantianBurke
Coming?

Looks just like underneath the interstate on the edge of downtown Seattle...only it's white people living there.

15 posted on 01/07/2004 6:37:55 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: VU4G10
The author does not understand the proposal he is commenting on. Sad he wasted his time writing this.
16 posted on 01/07/2004 6:43:10 PM PST by thoughtomator ("I will do whatever the Americans want because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid"-Qadafi)
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To: Thumper1960
I agree. This is not about immigration in my opinion, it is about "no borders." ANYWHERE expecting average Joe Blow to pay tab for all the foreign help, government programs and for any ramifications caused due to fall-out of this proposal. All for the good of the "world" and "economic" power. I don't believe it--it is for the power-players and profits no common man ANYWHERE in the world will benefit these low wages and I do not believe they are the ones the benefit is intended for. I CAN'T AFFORD ANY MORE OR I WILL HAVE TO GO ON THE TAKE AND YOU ALL WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR ME!! This is all wayyyyy tooooo scary for me on the cusp of retirement age...
17 posted on 01/07/2004 6:51:05 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Kozak
Then God help the responsible politicians when the populace vents it's wrath.

Amen to that statement. I surely thought that Dubya was smarter than he appeared today but I guess that he is, after all, just a politician looking for his next vote. This will bite him and the pubbies big time in years to come.

He was right on a number of points today, most importantly that our nation is a nation of immigrants. But he is having a problem distinguishing between 'legal' immigrants and 'illegal' immigrants.

GW said that jobs will be offered first to American citizens? Does that mean that there will be a published list of jobs for which I can compete prior to an illegal being placed in that job? I think not.

He also said that 'illegals' after being made legal, because they have an employer, would be able to change jobs at will? Between jobs they would have no employer sponsor and would become illegal again? Go figure?

Finally, it seems that we are just coming out of a major economic downturn (fabricated or not fabricated for political purposes) where American workers, 350,000+ of them are having a problem finding work? Does this announcement that Dubya made today mean that next weeks unemployment index will be zero?

18 posted on 01/07/2004 6:51:42 PM PST by eeriegeno
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To: Keith in Iowa
If they sealed the borders first, I'd support a guest worker program.

Exactly, but it's obvious that the feds have no interest in sealing up the border with Mexico. It would be so cost effective to put a 200 yard landmined buffer between the US and Mexico. Just have 10 ft high, razor wire fences on either side. AND it would actually save lives. No more illegals dying in the desert. It would take just one idiot to cross in and get blown to unrecognizable pieces and everyone would get the message.

19 posted on 01/07/2004 6:55:54 PM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: Trout-Mouth
They are pushing us. Pushing us hard. And, too far. It's got to stop. Now!
20 posted on 01/07/2004 6:56:04 PM PST by Thumper1960
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