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I disagree. What Bush proposed today does not provide a new incentive for illegals to come here *outside* of Bush's plan. They can apply for legal admission here from their home country, or if they are already here they can pay a fine, Register, and apply for their 3 year blue card.

Sure it does. It's not the first Amnesty he's proposed, and it won't be the last. If he gets away with this bit of pandering, why wouldn't he come back for more?
If you want more Illegals and more Amnesties, support this one.

But if they come over without applying legally (and getting approved) after Bush's plan is approved, then they are EXEMPT from the plea bargain and can't obtain legal status at any point in the future (per the proposal). That's hardly a new incentive to break our laws by trespassing over to here outside of this new program.

It's not a plea bargain, it's a fee for Amnesty services.
President Bush hasn't gotten serious about the 300,000 currently deportable Illegals running around the country, with their orders ready to go. 60,000 of them are from Islamic nations sympathetic to terror, and 4,000 of them have known terror links.
If he's not serious about enforcing the law now, and he isn't, and he never has been, then why in the world would he suddenly get religion if he sucessfully forces the big Amnesy on us that he's wanted all along?
This is a debacle.

I disagree. What Bush proposed today does not provide a new incentive for illegals to come here *outside* of Bush's plan. They can apply for legal admission here from their home country, or if they are already here they can pay a fine, Register, and apply for their 3 year blue card.

"Sure it does. It's not the first Amnesty he's proposed, and it won't be the last."

Bush's new plan doesn't provide illegals with a *new* incentive to avoid our laws. On the contrary, he is holding out a carrot for the illegals to finally *comply* with our laws.

Those who comply will get 3 year visas and no hassles from INS raids. Those who don't comply will be re-living their days of status quo INS nightmares, loan headaches, and all that goes with living off of the grid, plus risking their entire future here if they do get caught (something that is much more likely to happen if our resources are concentrating on only a few remaining or new illegals rather than on 8 million old ones).

"It's not a plea bargain, it's a fee for Amnesty services."

I disagree. The fine is waived for those who return to their home countries (i.e. self-deportation) to apply for their blue cards. Those who stay here illegally have to Register and pay their fine for trespassing. That's a de facto plea bargain for those who choose to accept it.

Most will.

Most of the arguments for Bush's immigration initiative are supporting it based on the premise that new laws will suddenly take effect that will eventually correct the "illegal" status of immigrants.

For the laws to even begin to start working, if they were legislated tomorrow, would take years.

Much thought and logistics have gone into this new initiative, and it is a given that the problem must be addressed and the new laws put into action immediately.

But we're talking millions of illegals here, scattered from New York to Miami to San Diego to Seattle.

One major weakness of the initiative are the assumptions that:

#1 - Illegal immigrants already here will voluntarily come forward and participate. and,

#2 - Those small, medium, and large businesses and corporations now supporting these illegals will also voluntarily come forward and participate.

The assumption made by the government is that both parties will come forward.

Without being able to identify who these parties are, the iniitiative is not worth the paper it is written on and would therefore be unenforceable.

We are back to SQUARE ONE before the law has even been enacted.

President Bush hasn't gotten serious about the 300,000 currently deportable Illegals running around the country, with their orders ready to go. 60,000 of them are from Islamic nations sympathetic to terror, and 4,000 of them have known terror links.

Saber, do you have a source for this?