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If illegals were not present, employers would have to pay American workers a better wage.

Did you go to Union University? That is pure balderdash.

Employers are not some fat dudes in top hats with cigars trying to screw their workers out of every cent they can. Employers pay what jobs are worth, and guess what, it has NOTHING to do with how much your rent is. It has to do with how much money your work produces for that company.

Your liberally blinded thinking may prevent you from seeing it, but it is a FACT that there are many jobs out there that are not worth but $3 an hour, or maybe even less. Now, those jobs are not going to be filled by legal workers because a company is not going to go in the negative just to hire workers to do those jobs. So they are forced to hire illegal workers who cannot report their wages.

If we removed minimum wage, then those low level jobs could be filled legally, and the companies could put more resources to paying its higher qualified workers instead of having to keep it's illegal workers secret.

Simple market economics if there is no one available to do the work for $3 an hour then they have to offer $4 and so on. This continues to a point until someone is hired, the cost of labor is then passed to the customer. If the product is not worth the price you go into a different business.

If the lowest wage job in the country was $6 flipping burgers at McD's, set by true market economics, then we wouldn't need a minimum wage. Amnesty and minimum wage are both forms of government intervention in the market. If you are a free-trade advocate you can't have it both ways. You either go with the market price based on current immigration laws or you lobby to change the law.

Your liberally blinded thinking may prevent you from seeing it, but it is a FACT that there are many jobs out there that are not worth but $3 an hour, or maybe even less.

Really?

So it is your position that jobs such as carpentry, roofing, framing houses, dry walling, cement work,electrical work auto mechanics and other semi-skilled trades are not worth the minimum wage?

Because I know for a fact that illegals commonly work in those jobs, jobs that employers who obey the law will pay Americans 8-12 dollars or more an hour to do

But why should a crooked employer pay an American a wage that will allow him to support a family when he can pay an illegal a Third World wage?You don't understand economics at all, and obviously don't give a d#mn about your fellow Americans

Employers are not some fat dudes in top hats with cigars trying to screw their workers out of every cent they can. <P. But the consumers are! If you put two same items next to each other and slap two different prices on them, guess which one the consumer will pick?