Posted on 01/07/2004 11:29:59 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
Press conference starts at 2:45 EST....get the prilosec out...we are going to need it.
And by the way, the presidency is a unilateral position. We do not have co-presidents.
Compare what these workers save the taxpayer in cost of goods with what they cost us in tax dollars for services. How are we coming out ahead? How is the undocumented worker coming out ahead (in any real sense of the word -- one that we would expect for ourselves as Americans)? The only one winning is the company doing the hiring.
LOL! The Conservative position is to ENFORCE THE LAW and protect American jobs. bush is a republican NOT a conservative.
Tancredo tells the truth, bush is doing this for two reasons:
-Reward corporate campaign donors with cheap labor.
-Get votes.
Hello! illegal aliens ARE "criminal aliens"
What other lawbreaking would you have bush "legitimize"
I got no problem when the immigrants follow the rules. Illegals (I'm sorry, the new politically correct term is "undocumented workers") simply have not followed the laws of the land. They have chosen to do what they want to do. And the President is rewarding them by allowing them to continue to work here unimpeded.
There are a LOT of good things in this proposal. Living in Arizona I know the full scope of the problem.
He also said they would be enforcing the laws regarding the hiring of illegal workers and there will be hefty fines.
While this is certainly true, this will lead to much lower wages in many of the jobs you cited, since the illegals will be able to go after those same jobs and will take minimum wage or a little more than minimum.
Yes, that's good for employers, but they aren't necessarily going to drop the prices of their goods and services to reflect that, and in the end, it will end up hurting many.
So while you have middle class jobs being farmed out to India and China, and manufacturing jobs going to China and Mexico, your lower class jobs are going to have an influx of people who will work for less. Look for massive increases in welfare and related programs (and the inevitable tax increases).
Jobs that one could once hold and raise a family or put somebody through college on are no longer able to do the same.
One more reason why I'm glad I'm partially retired and spent a few decades in the military. The military should get a boost over the next few years because of this, though. They haven't figured out a way to farm it out overseas ;-)
Like it does now?
At any rate, did anyone in the RNC even _think_ about looking at some poll numbers among _Americans_ before presenting this boondoggle? What a farce!
>>>You have this right, a lot of it is beyond the pale.
Some of the rhetoric is over the top, but most of the comments against this new policy by PresBush is right on the money.
Most American's and most FReeper's do not support amnesty, open borders or a backdoor immigration policy that rewards illegal aliens.
Read the following. It was posted to me today by FReeper, "hedgetrimmer". Sounds similiar to what PresBush offered in his speech. We've been here before.
Here's the Senate Bill that started the flood of illegals coming into the country--
S.1200
Public Law: 99-603 (11/06/86) SPONSOR: Sen Simpson (introduced 05/23/85)
ABSTRACT AS INTRODUCED:
Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to:
(1) authorize appropriations for the Immigration and Naturalization Service;
(2) increase penalties for immigration-related offenses;
(3) make it unlawful to hire, refer, or recruit for a fee an alien not authorized to work;
(4) establish an employment verification system;
(5) establish a visa category for temporary agricultural labor;
(6) establish a temporary agricultural labor transition program;
(7) legalize the status of specified illegal aliens;
(8) increase the colonial entry quota;
(9) establish a pilot visa waiver program;
(10) provide special status for certain employees of international organizations and their families.
Just keep reading, and edit out the emotional stuff.
Look at this: when the illegals become legal workers, they will have to be paid minimum wage, along with all the extras - worker's comp, employment tax, etc. The price of labor just went up. Enter the *next* wave of illegals.... who will work for lower (cash) wages.... and the newly legalized are going to start having trouble finding jobs, too.
In the meantime, those of us in the middle are being squeezed from each direction - wages are either dropping or remaining the same, while costs (insurance, medical, food, gas, etc) continue to climb.
If President Bush's proposal were to become law, the formerly illegal aliens who chose to apply for temporary worker status would no longer be illegal. With legal presence, they would be able to get licenses (in CA and other states), just as foreign students, H1-B workers, etc. already legally do.
One positive change would be for states to make licenses for foreigners expire when their visas, student permits, or work permits expire, if the date is sooner than the normal expiration date.
In my early career, I found jobs by hitting the pavement and moving and upgrading my skills.
Maybe you should get a clue and try same instead of blaming every Pedro Juan and Miguel.
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