Jobs Americans Won't Do: Voodoo Economics from the White House.

National Review Online ^ | January 07, 2004 | Mark Krikorian

[jpsb]

Hey I own a bar/eatery, the people that complain about the service are the one that NEVER tip or tip 50 cents on a 10 dollars tab. Tip and you will get good service, don't and you won't and believe me the staff remembers who tips and who desn't.

[cmak9]

Instead, they are importing slaves, and letting the rest of us subsidize their existence.

Bears repeating.

[cmak9]

Instead, they are importing slaves, and letting the rest of us subsidize their existence.

Bears repeating.

[eleni121]

Illegal aliens working legally cannot depress wages. Artificially controlling wages makes no good economic sense unless of course you subscribe to marxian economic theory.

[wasp69]

Amen.

[eleni121]

You need to put up a sign in your establishment about tipping policy.

[Age of Reason]

To the contrary there are plenty of jobs that Americans won't do and won't do well.

And why is that?

[hobbes1]

I know alot of poor tippers are complainers, but I generally overtip, because i know that the person getting the tip is in a job that can be grueling, but I also live in a dense suburban area, No immigrants, many families with small children, and most of those jobs are filled by twentyish types, and the occasional older lady....

And the worst service comes from the overpampered types that feel the job is beneath them....

[StatesEnemy]

Artificially controlling wages makes no good economic sense

Ohhh if only if it were true!

By allowing a flood of third worlders into the US job market, you are very MUCH artificially controlling wages.

Allowing employers to undercut the TRUE cost of doing business. (Namely - if you a shit job that needs doing, you SHOULD have to pay a premium)

[TankerKC]

Willie Green would be posting Luddite articles making the machines doing human work the enemy, rather than Mexicans, so what's the point?

I don't know too much about Willie, but someone would surely demonize businesses for automating.

[eleni121]

(Namely - if you a shit job that needs doing, you SHOULD have to pay a premium)

Stalin and Mao agree. In Marxian society the elites (educated, skilled) had no more financial compensation than the guy who shoveled shit.

[gubamyster]

Illegal aliens working legally cannot depress wages.

Illegals cannot work legally. It is illegal to knowingly hire illegals. By definition, illegals are illegal and therefore must break the law to work in the US.

[eleni121]

Have you actually made any attempt to follow this thread? Try it sometime.

[StatesEnemy]

Look, truth usually lies somewhere in the middle...

If say, a corporate farm wants it's produce picked, the market (based on the US market - not the Mexican, Chinese, Indonesian market) should dictate the wage.

Real simple econ 101.

[Middle Man]

"After all, without immigrants, who will pump our gas? Oh, wait — we never imported immigrants for that and so now we pump our own gas, aided by technology that lets us pay at the pump — thus we have fewer attendants but more gas stations and get in and out faster than we used to when we trusted our car to the man who wore the Texaco star."

Mark's Economics For Dummies. I remember when there were never anything less than full-service gas stations with 2-3 attendants all over your car servicing under the hood, cleaning the windshield and you got a free drink glass with a fillup when you were done. (And road maps were free.)

Now with the price of gas sky-high, you pump it yourself, pay for it yourself and probably make more trips to the mechanic's since there's noone to let you know when there's a problem brewing with your engine -- unless you perform all those checkpoints yourself every time you go.

And this is called "Progress".

[StatesEnemy]

In Marxian society the elites (educated, skilled) had no more financial compensation than the guy who shoveled shit.

While I loathe most of the philosophy there is a certain truth to this nugget.

If the shit REALLY NEEDS TO BE SHOVELLED, a shit-shoveller might be a bit more valuable to a society than another well-educated Lawyer

[Middle Man]

"Mark's Economics For Dummies. I remember when there were never anything less than full-service gas stations with 2-3 attendants all over your car servicing under the hood, cleaning the windshield and you got a free drink glass with a fillup when you were done. (And road maps were free.)"

Oh, and gas was about 35 cents a gallon. Almost forgot.

[gubamyster]

Have you actually made any attempt to follow this thread? Try it sometime.

Yes. And your comment "illegals aliens working legally" is still incongruent.

[GovernmentShrinker]

If these immigrants are really taking jobs that Americans "won't" do, then by all means give them guest worker visas and let them work here -- right AFTER we kick all the native born deadbeats off welfare!