Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Eighteen Illegal Alien solutions that are better than any Amnesty
January 7th, 2003 | Sabertooth

Posted on 01/07/2004 8:25:32 AM PST by Sabertooth

Well, today’s the big day, if the leaks and reports coming from the Bush Administration are true. The President is supposed to announce a new direction in America’s immigration policy that would result, among other things, in some sort of legalization for millions of the Illegal Aliens currently in our country, violating our laws. This, of course, would be nothing less than Amnesty by another name.

We’re told by handwringers and the political and media elites that there is really no workable solution to the Illegal Alien problem, so we might as well legalize them so we can get track of them. Thouughtless people on both sides of the debate jawbone about silly ideas like building a wall at the Mexican border, or house to house searches, as though they were viable solutions, or the only alternatives to Amnesty ore the status quo.

It’s disappointing, frankly. There is a great disconnect when people claim that while we can put men on the moon, or win the Cold War and the War on Terror, there is no reasonable or cost effective means of solving the Illegal Alien problem without infringing on the civil liberties of all Americans.

Nonsense, this nation is plenty capable of solving any problem we decide to solve, and poll after poll shows that the American people want the problem of Illegal Aliens solved, and that Amnesty isn’t a solution to us.

Dealing with Illegals doesn't have to be the enormous burden on resources many imagine, not would it have to infringe on civil liberties.

I've posted this on a few threads, but today seems like a good day for a revised reposting of as a stand-alone thread.

This problem is no harder to solve than wanting to solve it. We can get rid of Illegals rather effectively, by rolling up our sleeves and getting the Illegals to get rid of themselves.

The first order of business, of course, is to enforce existing laws on the books against Illegals and those who employ them. Also, politicians must be held to account when they pander otherwise.

Then...

The list above is by no means comprehensive, and can be adopted piecemeal or in a single package. That said, incrementalism is probably going to be the way to go, especially politically.

These measures would provide a little carrot and lots of stick for Illegals already here to get themselves out. Some of them will need to be tested in the courts, which is another reason to adopt them piecemeal, so that an injunction against omnibus legislation can't stall the whole effort.

We ought to be looking initially at easy, politically safe legislation, like the new accounting for family reunification, Border Security/IRS cooperation, English speaking citizenship requirements, and a few others. Our politicians are a trembling, timid bunch, and need to gain a little self-confidence before they'll tackle more difficult issues.

Note a few things that aren't on my list: troops or walls on the border. I think they are a futile diversion from cost effective solutions. The best possible wall at the border is to let foreigners know that we respect our sovereignty, and they had best do the same.

Note that their are no house to house searches.

Note also that I don't call for an immigration moratorium, though others may. I think their position is within the respectable mainstream of a dialogue about immigration, and while it's possible that I might change my mind later, but I am not currently persuaded that an outright moratorium is or will be necessary.

The main problem is multimillion-strong mass of Illegals, and the secondary problem is how we currently select legal immigrants for rapid assimilation into American society. I believe my proposals adequately address both situations, but there is certainly room for debate on the back end.

Note also that I have a guest worker program that is actually honest and responsible, and not an Amnesty by another name. My program would ensure that law-abiding foreigners are background-checked before entry, rather than rewarding lawbreaking Illegals after the fact.

All of the above could be adopted while allowing politicians so-inclined to chant the "compassionate conservatism" mantra.

A few final thoughts...

My proposals will cost money and require an expansion of the federal government in certain areas. However, this expense and expansion is all well within the legitimate, Constitutional responsibilities of the federal government. There will be a greater expense initially, as we ramp up to deal with the backlog of Illegals, but a number of my proposals are at least partially self-funding. Also, success in these endeavors will eventually reduce the need for them, and as many Illegals would leave on their own. There will be future savings, it should be noted, as the population of Illegals is dwindles and their net drain on our resources is reduced.

In contrast, there would be also be an increased expense and expansion of the government if there is an Amnesty, as checking backgrounds and processing 8 to 12 million Illegals wouldn't be cheap. However, such increases and expansions would only serve to reward the lawlessness of Illegals and the cowardice of politicians, thereby encouraging more of the same in both, unless there were also enforcement proposals like mine in effect for the American Interior.

But, if we strengthened and enforced our laws consistently within our borders, then we don't need the phantom solution of Amnesty anyway.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 161-171 next last
To: TigersEye
Illegal immigrants who can prove they have jobs can stay in the country legally for three years

Why would any illegal want to enter this program when, if they fly under the radar, they can stay here indefinitely as an illegal? They aren't tracked now, and they wouldn't be tracked in the future. With the program, the government will know where they are and press them to leave in 3 years.

81 posted on 01/07/2004 11:52:11 AM PST by Pa' fuera
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: TigersEye
I'm detecting that you have a closed mind on this topic. If you should ever want to answer the question, as I've framed it, I'll be happy to continue our converstion.
82 posted on 01/07/2004 11:54:24 AM PST by TheDon (Have a Happy New Year!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies]

To: Pa' fuera
With the program they can always reup for another three years but still I agree with you. If they sign up they will have to pay taxes so it will be a net loss in income. They have little fear of deportation now so why sign up to be tracked, taxed and fill out paperwork?
83 posted on 01/07/2004 11:58:23 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

Comment #84 Removed by Moderator

To: Sabertooth
Very good--although you might want to add a provision to make it easier for employers to check out workers. I think it is (conveniently) illegal for an employer to demand proof of identity beyond 3 IDs. Either that, or the axe in the "sting operations" should fall entirely on the illegal himself rather than on the employer.
85 posted on 01/07/2004 12:07:38 PM PST by Nataku X
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TheDon
OK, I'll try again. Here is the question you, as you framed it.

So, if you have no further illegal immigration, and you deport all illegal aliens, that would not solve the problem with illegal aliens already in the country?

As you frame the question the answer is of course "yes, that solves the problem."

But how did we get to "no further illegal immigration?" Increased border enforcement? Enforcement has been incrementally increased all along with a big increase post 9/11 and it hasn't scratched the surface. How do we accomplish "deporting all illegal aliens?" Amnesty? Been tried, it caused a flood of further illegal immigration.

If you like playing pretend and want to indulge in your fantasy of stopping further immigration and deporting all illegal aliens with yet another amnesty and another increase in border enforcement you are free to do so.

86 posted on 01/07/2004 12:11:05 PM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies]

To: TigersEye
See, it wasn't that hard.

Now we both agree that an amnesty does NOT solve the problem of ongoing illegal immigration, and in fact promotes further illegal immigration, but an amnesty does solve the problem of what to do with the illegal aliens already in our country, after the problem of illegal immigration has been dealt with.

The problem we must solve is to stop illegal immigration.
87 posted on 01/07/2004 12:29:34 PM PST by TheDon (Have a Happy New Year!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 86 | View Replies]

To: TheDon
...but an amnesty does solve the problem of what to do with the illegal aliens already in our country ...

How does it do that? It leaves the 10 million illegals in place and invites 20 million more.

88 posted on 01/07/2004 12:38:37 PM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 87 | View Replies]

To: Sabertooth
Exceptional list, great ideas. But good luck getting them past the largest roadblock: the big business types stuffing the pockets of Republicans supporting the illegals.

I'm sure they'd much rather get along with paying illegals sub-minimum wage rather than hire citizens and pay them lawfully.
89 posted on 01/07/2004 12:40:39 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TigersEye
Tisk, tisk...Don't engage in selective quoting.

...but an amnesty does solve the problem of what to do with the illegal aliens already in our country, after the problem of illegal immigration has been dealt with.

90 posted on 01/07/2004 12:41:45 PM PST by TheDon (Have a Happy New Year!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 88 | View Replies]

To: TheDon
Nothing selective at all. I specifically asked you how you would accomplish the latter.
91 posted on 01/07/2004 12:44:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: TheDon
...but an amnesty does solve the problem of what to do with the illegal aliens already in our country, after the problem of illegal immigration has been dealt with.

So you propose that illegal immigration be stopped before and amnesty is applied?

92 posted on 01/07/2004 12:48:10 PM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: TigersEye
and an amnesty
93 posted on 01/07/2004 12:49:04 PM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 92 | View Replies]

To: TigersEye
As I've stated several times, as have you, giving an amnesty before illegal immigration is stopped is counterproductive.
94 posted on 01/07/2004 12:53:31 PM PST by TheDon (Have a Happy New Year!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 92 | View Replies]

To: TheDon
Amnesty is counterproductive no matter when you give it.

One offhand remark by Clinton sparked a wave of Haitians trying to cross shark infested waters in rafts to get here. This is a serious policy proposal. Whether it ever becomes law or not it is already putting in motion the plans of thousands of people to try to get here.

I have also said that there is no feasable way to stop border crossing other than removing the incentive. Enforcement doesn't remove incentive. Amnesty is incentive.

95 posted on 01/07/2004 12:59:57 PM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 94 | View Replies]

Comment #96 Removed by Moderator

To: Sabertooth; Travis McGee
Eighteen Illegal Alien solutions that are better than any Amnesty

Nineteen:

Illegal Entry into the US by foreign nationals during wartime or *Condition Orange-Condition Red* National Emergency shall be considered Espionage, and punishable by execution.


97 posted on 01/07/2004 1:02:58 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sabertooth
Thank you, Sir!

An excellent list of common-sence suggestions!

98 posted on 01/07/2004 1:03:50 PM PST by DoctorMichael (Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
Unfortunately, as an american the company would have to pay minimum wages to the welfare worker. With immigrants they have been getting away with paying almost nothing, sometimes $10.00 per day for some jobs. I'm not sure if the new proposal has any connections with minim. wages.
Anyone out there know if minim wage standards are to be enforced with this proposal?
99 posted on 01/07/2004 1:07:17 PM PST by rave123
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: Sabertooth
"...the invasion is civilian, not military" just like Al Quaida?
100 posted on 01/07/2004 1:14:42 PM PST by steve8714
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 161-171 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson