Eighteen Illegal Alien solutions that are better than any Amnesty

January 7th, 2003 | Sabertooth

[Pa' fuera]

Illegal immigrants who can prove they have jobs can stay in the country legally for three years

Why would any illegal want to enter this program when, if they fly under the radar, they can stay here indefinitely as an illegal? They aren't tracked now, and they wouldn't be tracked in the future. With the program, the government will know where they are and press them to leave in 3 years.

[TheDon]

I'm detecting that you have a closed mind on this topic. If you should ever want to answer the question, as I've framed it, I'll be happy to continue our converstion.

[TigersEye]

With the program they can always reup for another three years but still I agree with you. If they sign up they will have to pay taxes so it will be a net loss in income. They have little fear of deportation now so why sign up to be tracked, taxed and fill out paperwork?

[Nataku X]

Very good--although you might want to add a provision to make it easier for employers to check out workers. I think it is (conveniently) illegal for an employer to demand proof of identity beyond 3 IDs. Either that, or the axe in the "sting operations" should fall entirely on the illegal himself rather than on the employer.

[TigersEye]

OK, I'll try again. Here is the question you, as you framed it.

So, if you have no further illegal immigration, and you deport all illegal aliens, that would not solve the problem with illegal aliens already in the country?

As you frame the question the answer is of course "yes, that solves the problem."

But how did we get to "no further illegal immigration?" Increased border enforcement? Enforcement has been incrementally increased all along with a big increase post 9/11 and it hasn't scratched the surface. How do we accomplish "deporting all illegal aliens?" Amnesty? Been tried, it caused a flood of further illegal immigration.

If you like playing pretend and want to indulge in your fantasy of stopping further immigration and deporting all illegal aliens with yet another amnesty and another increase in border enforcement you are free to do so.

[TheDon]

See, it wasn't that hard.

Now we both agree that an amnesty does NOT solve the problem of ongoing illegal immigration, and in fact promotes further illegal immigration, but an amnesty does solve the problem of what to do with the illegal aliens already in our country, after the problem of illegal immigration has been dealt with.

The problem we must solve is to stop illegal immigration.

[TigersEye]

...but an amnesty does solve the problem of what to do with the illegal aliens already in our country ...

How does it do that? It leaves the 10 million illegals in place and invites 20 million more.

[StoneColdGOP]

Exceptional list, great ideas. But good luck getting them past the largest roadblock: the big business types stuffing the pockets of Republicans supporting the illegals.

I'm sure they'd much rather get along with paying illegals sub-minimum wage rather than hire citizens and pay them lawfully.

[TheDon]

Tisk, tisk...Don't engage in selective quoting.

...but an amnesty does solve the problem of what to do with the illegal aliens already in our country, after the problem of illegal immigration has been dealt with.

[TigersEye]

Nothing selective at all. I specifically asked you how you would accomplish the latter.

[TigersEye]

...but an amnesty does solve the problem of what to do with the illegal aliens already in our country, after the problem of illegal immigration has been dealt with.

So you propose that illegal immigration be stopped before and amnesty is applied?

[TigersEye]

and an amnesty

[TheDon]

As I've stated several times, as have you, giving an amnesty before illegal immigration is stopped is counterproductive.

[TigersEye]

Amnesty is counterproductive no matter when you give it.

One offhand remark by Clinton sparked a wave of Haitians trying to cross shark infested waters in rafts to get here. This is a serious policy proposal. Whether it ever becomes law or not it is already putting in motion the plans of thousands of people to try to get here.

I have also said that there is no feasable way to stop border crossing other than removing the incentive. Enforcement doesn't remove incentive. Amnesty is incentive.

[archy]

Eighteen Illegal Alien solutions that are better than any Amnesty

Nineteen:

Illegal Entry into the US by foreign nationals during wartime or *Condition Orange-Condition Red* National Emergency shall be considered Espionage, and punishable by execution.

[DoctorMichael]

Thank you, Sir!

An excellent list of common-sence suggestions!

[rave123]

Unfortunately, as an american the company would have to pay minimum wages to the welfare worker. With immigrants they have been getting away with paying almost nothing, sometimes $10.00 per day for some jobs. I'm not sure if the new proposal has any connections with minim. wages.
Anyone out there know if minim wage standards are to be enforced with this proposal?

[steve8714]

"...the invasion is civilian, not military" just like Al Quaida?