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To: chance33_98
I have seen and heard all of this before in the 80's about these illegals taking all of these jobs but those facts are absent a few rejoinders NO ONE WANTS THESE OR ANY DIRTY JOBS..

I have been an employer in the hospitality industry for more than a few of decades, (at one point 3800 employees), and have employed more than my share of illegals. In the 60's in Chicago and throughout the Midwest, it was Greeks, Polish, and Lithuanians, even a few Russians, and Cubans. Most of these wonderful folks stayed long enough to establish a record of employment and opened their own businesses, or bought homes and learned English and blended into our lives as equals.

In the 70's it was Middle Easterners, and in the south, it was the beginning of the heavy Mexican influx. In the 80's it began the Pacific Rim invasion, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, and more Mexicans. The 90's was more Middle Easterners, and a lot more Central American's, than Mexican. It became a joke and a pattern that we had a second shift of Muslims that would work Sundays and Holidays to keep the doors opened when everyone else wanted or just took those days off.

My jobs were in the beginning, low paying, bottom rung, entry level jobs. Jobs that were steady and dirty. Maintainance, housekeeping, kitchen, dishwashing, busboy.. I started hiring illegals as a practice in the 70's by necessity.  By then, we had changed the school calendar (shorter summer vacation making training high school kids almost useless), child labor laws, under 16 unavailable, and with few exceptions (blacks), welfare or single mom minorities, that wouldn't work longer than 26 weeks. Just long enough to qualify for extended unemployment. It was far more insidious than just quitting after 26 weeks, they would fake an injury and file suit, or claim harassment, or labor claims against our company, costing thousands and keeping a law firm, not just a lawyer on the payroll (the 4th largest line item on my P & L statement).

For the most part, we kept these employees and raised their pay as they increased their effectiveness just to prevent the turnover. They would furnish us with relatives to replace themselves as they moved up the job ladder. NOBODY applied for these positions, and paying $12 an hour, plus benefits $6 more, for a dishwasher just doesn't work. These folks worked for $8, and would take home food, and learn a trade, cook, bellboy, bartender, waiter, and move up as soon as we taught them.

I left the hassle to raise my children, but just as much to escape the government and changing attitudes of my fellow countrymen toward immigrants.. and this sort of problem we are faced with today.. Bitch all you want, but you are not allowed to be as aware as you need to be.. Today you have almost exclusively fast foods and poor motel service because of this pressure to pander to your emotions,. Now you pump your own gas, pick up your own food in a restaurant, and soon you will make your own beds, or purchase fruits and vegetables from Timbuktu, because we cut off immigration... I'm outta here.. Bash Bush, bus your own tables, and feed your kids junk.. you are winning..  Developing..

2 posted on 01/07/2004 8:02:40 AM PST by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: carlo3b
Impressive post carlo3b. Only one objection I have.

Immigrants, YES!

Illegals, NO!!

4 posted on 01/07/2004 8:10:04 AM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: carlo3b
How much did the illegals that you hired cost the taxpayers?
6 posted on 01/07/2004 8:19:22 AM PST by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: carlo3b
Just for grins, maybe you could actually comment on these threads instead of cutting and pasting the same inchoate rant.

By the way, since you admit to violating U.S. immigration and labor laws for profit (Federal felonies), do you plan to turn yourself in for prosecution? It's never too late, you know.

And while we're on the subject, what crimes do you think the illegals should have to plead guilty to in return for amnesty? There can be no amnesty without an initial admittance of guilt. Since the illegals are guilty of multiple crimes, we'll have to pick just one really big crime for them to wear as a record for all of their lives in this country. After all, they're criminals.

And so are you, by your own admission. Might want to check those federal statutes of limitation before you go much farther. Never know who's reading these threads.

11 posted on 01/07/2004 8:31:37 AM PST by Regulator
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To: carlo3b
"I have been an employer in the hospitality industry for more than a few of decades, (at one point 3800 employees), and have employed more than my share of illegals.

http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com"

Your brilliance is amazing.

12 posted on 01/07/2004 8:37:00 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: carlo3b
Excellent article, carlos3b.
30 posted on 01/07/2004 12:49:07 PM PST by ought-six
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To: carlo3b
Excellent article, carlos3b. And you say it with some passion. But alas, I disagree with you vigorously. I held many of the jobs you describe when I was young, and some you haven't even dreamed of. I know youngsters (I'm in my fifties, so I can use that word), Americans all, who were turned down for the very jobs you mentioned. The illegals are not taking jobs that no one else wants. That is a myth and you know it. It is the time-warn mantra of the enablers of the illegals, who have a political agenda, first and foremost. It's not about filling jobs, it's all about political power and influence, and you know it.
31 posted on 01/07/2004 12:56:09 PM PST by ought-six
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To: carlo3b
The only reason you hired illegals is they will work for dirt cheap --- they didn't expect job benefits like health care or overtime. You made more money by breaking the law --- probably put a whole lot of decent honest businessmen out of businesses --- because the chumps were trying to obey labor laws and pay the standard wage.

I don't need a servant to make my beds or clear my table for me. I don't need a peon doing my yard work and I'll gladly pump my own gas. We're not like the third world elites --- who never wash a dish or clean up after their own mess.
37 posted on 01/07/2004 4:46:33 PM PST by FITZ
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To: carlo3b
"I started hiring illegals" Thanks Carlo! You are part of the problem.
50 posted on 01/07/2004 6:15:36 PM PST by novacation
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