Illegal Alien Amnesty Plan-Wrong Place, Wrong Time; Statement by US English Chairman Mauro E. Mujica

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Illegal Alien Amnesty Plan -- Wrong Place, Wrong Time; Statement by U.S. English Chairman Mauro E. Mujica

1/7/04 10:12:00 AM

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To: National and International Desks

Contact: Rob Toonkel of U.S. English, 202-833-0100 or rtoonkel@usenglish.org

WASHINGTON, Jan. 7 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following statement from U.S. English Chairman Mauro E. Mujica, on granting amnesty to illegal aliens living in the United States, was released today:

"Congress should reject any Bush administration proposal to grant amnesty to the estimated eight million illegal aliens living in the United States. Such efforts would be an insult to the millions of Americans who have gone through the legal immigration process and make a mockery of our border laws.

"As a legal immigrant from Chile, I must question why the government is interested in legalizing millions of non-citizens, even as our citizens are subject to orange alerts and other anti- terror procedures. For a nation grappling with budget deficits and service cutbacks, efforts to grant amnesty to lawbreakers appears misplaced. One must wonder whether this belated Christmas gift is designed to secure votes in November.

"Our two-faced method of dealing with visitors to our nation -- fingerprints and procedures for those who announce their arrival, amnesty for those who dash across the border -- will only exacerbate our economic and security problems. We should all hope that it will not take a repeat of September 11 to convince our political leaders that one instance of lax security is one too many.

"The United States has long been a nation of immigrants -- legal immigrants. Instead of doling out amnesty, it is time for our government to make a commitment to those who have abided by the law and continue to work toward the American dream. These newcomers go to great lengths to respect our laws and learn our language so that they may continue the proud tradition of earlier generations. They work tirelessly to support their families, flock to English classes and center their children's future around education.

"By granting amnesty, we turn our back on these pillars of American society. We ignore those we have invited into our nation in favor of those who have crashed the gate. If, as Miguel de Cervantes wrote in Don Quixote, "Honesty is the best policy," policy-makers who favor amnesty are sending a terrible message to our children, to our legal immigrants and to all Americans."

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U.S. English, Inc. is the nation's oldest and largest non- partisan citizens' action group dedicated to preserving the unifying role of the English language in the United States ( Web site: http://www.us-english.org ). Founded in 1983 by the late Sen. S.I. Hayakawa, U.S. English, Inc. has more than 1.7 million members nationwide.

[FITZ]

Carlo doesn't state it here, but he has done just that for former welfare recipients and single moms.

Then I would congratulate him --- these people need jobs if they're ever to give up a life of government dependency.

And yes ---- Mexico has no excuse to be a third rate country --- not with the vast natural resources it was given --- and millions of it's people shouldn't be forced into leaving --- but that seems to be the only goal Fox has --- get as many out as possible --- he doesn't want to make it so they can stay there.

[jellybean]

I stand corrected...the federal minimum wage is $5.15. We start higher, so I haven't paid much attention to it for a few years.

No where did I say Americans won't work for less than $30/hr. There are very few jobs in that range in this area... the average is probably between $8 - $10. A well-paying job here would probably start out at $15.

[Joe Hadenuf]

How much did the illegals that you hired cost the taxpayers?

""Not a damn thing and you know it, or you should have.""

Maybe you don't pay taxes. I can assure you people in CA, AZ, TX, etc are paying *billions* in taxes.

[lainde]

bttt

[carlo3b]

Joe I don't want friends to sound stupid, but every worker that received a paycheck, payed taxes. They paid withholding, they paid SS, and unemployment insurance. The only difference, if one exists, is that if they used a SS# that belonged to someone else, and it didn't count toward their own pension account.

That being the case, that became an unclaimed account, building a fortune that remains unclaimed in the US Treasury. I said that I believe that there were folks that provided my accountant with bogus SS account's because when they became legal green-card carriers their number changed.

I had no way of knowing who or which of the folks provided me with phony documents. There is no picture on a social security card, and no one was required to prove it. That law may have changed after I sold my company in 1978. The Vietnamese workers had cards and I didn't ever find out what the rumor was, that 1 out of 3 wasn't legitimate.

[ought-six]

"Very few Americans want those jobs, and they have to be filled. Most of the starting wages are not good, $7-9 per hour, but within a couple of months they are making $10-12 an hour plus benefits.. If you are an uneducated dropout that isn't a bad paycheck.. However the folks who need them are getting a free paycheck from the rest of us for staying home."

It's not a bad paycheck for an unemployed American citizen who needs a job to feed his family, either. And that's my point. There ARE American citizens who would take those jobs. However, a lot of employers would rather pay an illegal that amount, under-the-table, in cash, and not have to deal with all the other benefits and requirements mandated by employment law. And the illegals make out like the bandits they are (sorry, but if they're illegal they have broken the law, and thus are bandits), because, by getting paid in cash they pay no taxes, SSI, etc., and get free medical care, and free food, and free education for their kids. Not a bad deal. When I was out of work several years ago I would have done anything to get that kind of deal. Hell, I may be getting laid off shortly, anyway, so that deal is starting to look very attractive to me again.

[carlo3b]

There you go again.. Are you purposely misreading my posts or is this a concerted effort to foment an angry electorate, to beat Bush?

It's not a bad paycheck for an unemployed American citizen who needs a job to feed his family, either.

Several times I posted that those jobs went unclaimed by too many Americans. The unemployed would interview, to get the job searching requirement out of the way, but even if they were hired, they didn't last long. The prior post also outlined an all too common tactic used my our countrymen. Work 26 weeks and find a way to get a claim, or lawsuit so they could go back on unemployment compensation.

However, a lot of employers would rather pay an illegal that amount, under-the-table, in cash, and not have to deal with all the other benefits and requirements mandated by employment law.. because, by getting paid in cash they pay no taxes, SSI, etc., and get free medical care, and free food, and free education for their kids.

I owned a company, and I'm sure you read my several posts that more than mentioned that every employee received a paycheck, and met every wage requirement, and they all had health insurance.. DID YOU MISS THAT FACT PORPOSELY? Did you also miss that we would also give them the food at the end of the evening.. Being a 4-5 star restaurant and hotels, that wasn't a bad bennie.. But you may not know what a high ranking establishment serves it's wealthy consumers.

When I was out of work several years ago I would have done anything to get that kind of deal.

I can't believe if you live in a major city that there aren't hundreds of jobs in my industry still available, at even higher opening wages that we paid.. $7-9 an hour.. and contrary to your diatribe, that we wanted to hire illegals, WE would have give an English speaking applicant a raise almost immediately, if they stayed past the 1st paycheck

Hell, I may be getting laid off shortly, anyway, so that deal is starting to look very attractive to me again..

If that happens, and you live in a major city, I'll make those dreams come ture for you.. :)

[Lead Moderator]

Can we find a way to avoid the personal attacks? Believe me, you could make the same post, have it be just as passionate and pointed, without throwing in the "pompous asshole" pejorative at the start.

Thanks, LM

[carlo3b]

Maybe you don't pay taxes. I can assure you people in CA, AZ, TX, etc are paying *billions* in taxes

Joe, you are not a newbie, so I will treat you with a FReeper respect due you.. please go back and read my posts. It clearly states that every employee, mis documented or not, was paid a check with all deductions removed and paid to the Treasury, we also paid our required payments. These people also received health and dental insurance after a short waiting period to weed out the scam artists.

Also, I personally paid top dollars in every friggin tax that was due on my income, and to be accused of cheating on my taxes is beneath contempt, and I will let that lay, for now!

[carlo3b]

Done, sorry, but I believe a lot of this may be a ruse to whip up discontent, but you point is well made.

[Stallone]

Now you understand!

Bush will deal with the illegals and those who fail to register, HARSHLY.

After the enactment of this policy, any remaining illegals will be considered to represent a potential security threat to our great nation.

Here's the plan, but remember, Bush inherited this mess, so while it isn't perfect, it is a great beginning. Follow along:

1. Provide a means for those aliens already working in legitimate jobs for American companies or private families, and who truly deserve an American future, to properly obey and respect our laws, and let us also be kind to their families too. These are the high-profile sympathy cases that could destroy the GOP presidency if lumped in with the worst of the aliens. These hard luck stories will otherwise fill the airwaves, and many GOP and independent voters will feel the legitimate pain and suffering of such refugees. Call them the "Elians";
2. Provide a more efficient means for the next wave of good people to apply legitimately for access before they too become illegals. Call them the "Pre-emptives";
3. Bear down HARD on the remaining illegals, and begin to treat them as that: ILLEGAL. Without remorse and without shame, get rid of them. Call them the "Osamas". For the first time, given the cover of a legitimate and efficient access pathway, THERE WILL BE NO EXCUSE FOR THEIR BEHAVIOR.

So, keep the Elians, work with the Pre-Emptives, and dump the Osamas.

Come now, Freepers, you can get there, if you try.

[wjcsux]

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

Thank you for this post.
To all of you who believe it is "impossible" to do something about the 8-12 million illegals in this country, here is the answer to the problem.

[Stallone]

The 55 mph speed limit was ignored by the vast majority of Americans. All were BREAKING THE LAW. It was a stupid and unworkable law.

The newly-revised speed limit acknowledges something else - REALITY.

For decades, illegal aliens have entered America and lawmakers looked the other way. Americans have embraced them, hired them and protected them. Without their support, they would have withered on the vine.

Now Bush alone did not cause this. YOUR MANY FELLOW AMERICANS DID.

You are asking George Bush to deport them all, right now. Or, just pass the buck and ignore it like everyone else. It is preposterous, but maybe you don't know it - yet.

This principled stand of suicide, the kind of tin-eared McClintock nonsense that put us into the margins for nearly a decade, is sheer political stupidity. Yeah, yeah, it is better to die than compromise...give it up.

Instead, Bush challenges the conventional thinking and saves the best of them, and loses the worst.

He has established a datum reference line, and can be hardcore on those that don't follow the rules from now on. Like raising the speed limit to a more workable level, Bush has accepted the reality that VOTING AMERICANS LIKE YOU hire these people. HE IS DEALING WITH THAT REALITY.

It is BRILLIANT, and GOP'ers failing to see this is not only expected, because most blind Conservatives could not understand the concept of an Arnold vs. the unelectable McClintock, but rather it is the ONLY likely initial response I would have expected.

I would be truly stunned if even 10% of Republicans understood the rationale now. That there is one other person on this board that 'gets it' absolutely astonishes me.

But I believe that in time this initiative will be seen as yet another stroke of bold strateregy by this remarkable President.

Thank God for President Bush.

[ought-six]

Every time you speak, something is subtracted from the sum total of human knowledge.

[carlo3b]

You have nothing to add to this forum except a weak vocabulary, and an abundance of self importance.. I'd prefer you avoid me.. Thanks

[Bikers4Bush]

The problem is that Bush has no intentions of being hardcore about the rules if his little package gets pushed through, instead he intends to use it as a wedge to keep the door open.