Blast from the Past: Gibbs Takes Over in D.C.

Yahoo Sports ^ | 1/7/04

[leadpenny]

According to Sid Rosenburg, the Sports guy on the Imus in the Morning program, the Redskins are set to make an announcement today that the former Redskins Coach will be returning to be the new head coach.

Update:

Just a week after Steve Spurrier called it quits, the Washington Redskins have a new coach – their old one. Joe Gibbs agreed Wednesday to take charge of the struggling franchise. Gibbs coached the team from 1981-92, winning three Super Bowls along the way before resigning to pursue a career with his own NASCAR team. [link to source]

[flair2000]

I absolutely agree with you. Denny Green is a good coach and could guide most any team in the NFL to the playoffs. Unfortunately, due to the NFL's interviewing rules, he has been reduced to a token minority interviewee.

[MizzouTigerRepublican]

Denny Green is now the coach of the AZ Cardinals. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1702776

[NormsRevenge]

Do you think you can find the old ping list...

The Nascar one? I sold it to the Howard Dean folks, got 50 cents and a 6pak of Falstaff for it. ;-)

[NormsRevenge]

Denny Green? The Cardinals??? Wow!

He was desperate to get back into the NFL...

It beats the Raiders at this point , tho.

[tubebender]

Falstaff? What the hell happened to Lucky Lager...

[TN4Liberty]

I've read about Shuler and watched him play before you ever heard of him. He held out while they negotiated a contract, and there is another side to that story about how the Redskins came to a deal then wouldn't sign the contract from their end. Pure bad faith negotiation. His biggest mistake was that he didn't worship Sonny, and Sonny made him pay. Jorgenson is the most petty person I have ever heard in a radio booth, but apparently he holds some influence with the Redskin faithful.

Ditka thought he was one of the toughest players he had ever coached. But what does he know?

Gus Frerotte came on the scene when they picked up some linemen, and that was the biggest difference in the offenses. If Shuler never threw the ball over 20 yards, it was because his line couldn't protect him long enough to hit anything deeper than a quick slant. His arm strength was tremendous.

Shuler wasn't perfect, but I think your criticism of him is way over the top. If the injuries hadn't hampered (and eventually retired)him, he would be in the league today. When healthy, he was big and mobile and is an early version of the mobile QBs that are all over the league now.

[Mudboy Slim]

"Denny Green is a good coach and could guide most any team in the NFL to the playoffs. Unfortunately, due to the NFL's interviewing rules, he has been reduced to a token minority interviewee."

Yep...fortunately, he got the Cards' job and will no doubt do well there. Still, this racist policy the NFL has employed disparages good folks like this and needs to be abolished.

FReegards...MUD

[Taxman]

I don't hate the Redskins; I like the Redskins.

I don't hate Dan Snyder. I just don't like him.

Spoiled, petulant rich kid with a toy is what he is.

[HenryLeeII]

First of all, in a nit-picking mode, your list has 20 players, not "21 or more." Secondly, I don't see any coaches and owners on there. Thirdly, only a half-dozen or so were drafted by the Skins, whereas nearly every Cowpoke on my list was drafted by Big D. Fourthly, the death count is 2-1 Dallas among the players on our list (at least those of which we know). Fifthly, only five of the Redskins committed their acts while with the team. Sixthly, weren't the charges against Coles dropped for some reason? Seventhly, I don't see any large-scale drug traffickers, as Dallas has had. Eighthly, I stopped after 33 pages of Google search results, after doing only one simple search, so there are probably more Cowpoke criminals out there waiting to be uncovered. Ninthly, I don't see many books of thinly-disguised fact on other organizations during the late-60's/early-70's such as "North Dallas Forty." And tenthly, our band and fight song are better than yours...oops, forgot, you all don't have such civil amenities! ;>)

[7thson]

Gus Frerote was drafted the same year as Heath. He was taken in the last round. He was and is a better QB in the pros than Heath ever wished he could be. Heath was an arrogant sob when he was here and it showed in every interview. He was another athelete that believed his own press clippings and was whiney whenever he wasn't playing. He was a bad pick that a bad head coach - Norv Turner - fostered on Charlie Casserly. The only one who wanted him was Norv and like everything Norv did in DC, Heath was crappy. BT AR.

[7thson]

Let me tell you when Norv Turner should have been fired. The first game of the season against the Cowboys, the Skins had a 20 point lead with less than seven minutes to go. The lost, 41-35 in overtime. Everytime the Skins got the ball, instead of running the clock out, Turner had the QB put the ball in the air. Immediately after that game, Snysder should have been in the locker room and fired Turner. Hell, he should have fired someone! That loss was inexcusable!

[7thson]

That sounds like Dierdof. I never could stand that guy. Everytime he opened his mouth, something stupid fell out.

[MizzouTigerRepublican]

I stopped after 15 pages of Yahoo plus search. Hell if I wanted I am sure I could keep going and find more. You keep coming up with excuses about your "high morals" team. Just get a grip. NFL players do the same things that people in society do. They cheat, they lie and they commit crimes. Stop telling the lie that the Redskins are so moral and wouldn't have any bad character people around. You are starting to sound like a hypocrite on the issue when you have been shown facts each time you make that statement to refute it. Oh wait never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

The death count is 2-2. Jerry Smith All Pro TE died of Aids in 1986. He said he contracted it sharing needles and drugs with his gay lover. Plus you had 3 famous gay players on your team. Real strong moral fiber guys there. Ray McDonald, Jerry Smith and Ted Kopay.


The reason there isn't a book about the crimes of the Redskins is that no one cares about them! The Cowboys aren't America's team for nothing. Everyone either loves or hates the Cowboys. There is no in between ground. Who cares if we don't have a band... We have the World Famous Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders! You can keep your band.

[Skywalk]

How is a self-made billionaire spoiled?(Granted you can still have problems with your personality, but the traditional connotation of a person being spoiled is that they were given every advantage in life by their parents)

[Taxman]

Let me rephrase: He is ACTING like a spoiled rich kid.

As I understand it, Snyder is trained as an accountant. He was CFO of one of the dot coms before the dot com bust. Cashed out, big time, and bought the Redskins.
I just do not like him.

OTOH, I like the Redskins; always have, always will. By hiring Joe Gibbs, Snyder may, mind you, may just have turned a corner. Particularly if Snyder has also learned to keep his checkbook open and his mouth shut.

I am open to reformulating my opinion of Snyder, if he has "grown."

[HenryLeeII]

The death count is 2-2. Jerry Smith All Pro TE died of Aids in 1986.

I was obviously talking about players killing other people, therefore, 2-1 Dallas!

NFL players do the same things that people in society do.

No kidding. However, the Cowboys seem to draft a lot more of these types than any other team. Plus, many of the Redskins you listed (as with a few of the Cowboys I listed) committed their offenses long after leaving their respective teams. The Cowboys, more than most teams, turn a blind eye or even act as enablers. Let's go back and re-visit Tom Landry's endorsement of recreational drug use, shall we:

"A year or two years ago, I don't know [whether DE Harvey Martin was a cocaine addict]. Somebody can use coke and it's like beer to some extent. We're talking about recreational coke. That's a big difference with chemical dependency." [Tom Landry, 1983]

[7thson]

In 1975 - after Sonny retired after the 74 season - my brothers and I caught a preseason game at RFK. This was before they sold out preseason games and once you bought a ticket, you could basically sit anywhere - not many people at the stadium. Anyways, right after the game, we lost contact with one of our brothers. We started driving around RFK trying to locate him and we saw these cars by one stadium exit. It was Sonny, Kilmer, and a bunch of Redskins. I got Sonny's autograph on my game program and then we started to follow them when they left. We followed them to Pier 7 restaurant where they had a party in a private room. We came in and got a table, drank some beer. I was able to talk to Diron Talbert - a big man - and got Kilmer's autograph. A fun time.

Oh - what happened to our brother. He made it home safe on his own.

[7thson]

That year - 1985 - was a bad one for the Skins and Thiesman. JT was struggling real bad. He never had that strong an arm and by 1985, it completely deserted him. Riggins was gone by that time and Gibbs was in transition with George Rogers, trying to make him the next Riggo. It was not working. Then we also had Calvin Muhhumand - the receiver who would run the wrong routes. I remember one game that year when Thiesman was so frustrated that he came back to the sidelines and turnover the table of Gatorade. At one point, while the defense was out on the field, Gibbs and Thiesman were sitting away from the rest of the team, talking. I had never seen that before. I had seen where coaches yelled at players and chewed them out, but this looked like a heart to heart.

Then, when JT got his leg snapped (everytime I see the flea-clicker play, I think of that), that was the best thing that happened to the Skins. Schroeder came in and won the game for them. They finished winning the next five out of six - losing to the 49ers in that stretch.

[7thson]

That was a Joe Gibbs/Joe Bugel innovation. Get big, big guys on the o line and push guys out of the way. Of course, big guys back then was 260-300, and 305 tops for Jacoby, like you said. Parcells saw that and started getting bigger guys. The entire NFC went that route. That's why the NFC went on that 10-13??? year run of winning SuperBowls. Huge offensive lines that battered the smaller AFC lines.

[7thson]

I'm not even looking for that right now. I just want some competitive games!!! The sad thing about the Skins in the last 12 seasons is that for the most part, the team never seemed to improve from year to year. Now, I think we will see improvement, discipline, and more professional play. No more time outs or penalties because the clock is about to run down or has run down.