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To: Scenic Sounds
Personally, I favor building a biometric database on every lawful citizen and resident and visitor, and can envision how doing so would bring unparalleled freedom to people.

But that was not your question. Your question was about using RICO statutes to bankrupt those businesses which knowingly hire productive workers who they know to be carrying fraudulent ID cards.

No, I don't agree with that, either. Again, the problem is when ideologues mistake a relative good with an absolute one. There is no justice in throwing thousands of citizens into unemployment because the corporate gardener or janitor was hired who shouldn't have been hired. That would constitute a grave injustice.

The whole point of "knowingly hire" really becomes moot unless all employers are required by some prohibitively-costly mandate to then hire detectives, and forgery experts, etc. It's not their job to vet people's legal status. They are there to provide goods and services which benefit people and society, not to do the work of the government. They have no authority or expertise to vet the status of anyone to a 100% degree of certainty. But if someone is knowingly hiring undocumented immigrants and flouting the law, and if it can be proven, then yes, prosecute them, but don't bankrupt their business. To advocate such is only demagoguery.

Anyone can formulate a doomed or impossible plan, but seriously, I will stick with time-tested and elected leaders on formulating a workable plan on this problem.

35 posted on 01/07/2004 12:05:36 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad; Sabertooth
But if someone is knowingly hiring undocumented immigrants and flouting the law, and if it can be proven, then yes, prosecute them, but don't bankrupt their business. To advocate such is only demagoguery.

It appears that we agree on the wisdom of punishing employers who knowingly hiring undocument immigrants. As for an appropriate penalty, the usual standard is to design a penalty that is sufficiently costly to encourage compliance with the law.

The key here is to find a penalty that makes it so costly to hire illegal immigrants that rational employers will refrain from doing so. Obviously, penalties and enforcement should be ratcheted up in this area.

I have a feeling that Sabertooth and most others would agree to penalties that are less than the corporate death penalty so long as the penalties were made adequate to encourage compliance with the law. Again, I think that Sabertooth's proposals are worth some serious consideration.

36 posted on 01/07/2004 12:30:24 PM PST by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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