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Bush Would Give Illegal Workers Broad New Rights
The New York Times ^ | January 7, 2004 | ELISABETH BUMILLER

Posted on 01/06/2004 8:20:50 PM PST by sarcasm

WASHINGTON, Jan. 6 — President Bush will propose a sweeping overhaul of the nation's immigration laws on Wednesday that could give legal status to millions of undocumented workers in the United States, senior administration officials said Tuesday night.

Under Mr. Bush's proposal, which effectively amounts to an amnesty program for illegal immigrants with jobs in the United States, an undocumented worker could apply for temporary worker status here for an unspecified number of years, with all the employee benefits, like minimum wage and due process, accorded to those legally employed.

Workers who are approved would be permitted to travel freely between the United States and their home countries, the officials said, and would also be permitted to apply for a green card granting permanent residency in the United States.

Administration officials said that Mr. Bush would also propose increasing the number of green cards issued each year, which is now about 140,000, but they did not provide a specific number. The administration officials, who briefed reporters in a conference call on Tuesday night, said only that Mr. Bush would ask for a "reasonable increase."

Mr. Bush's proposal, one administration official said, would "match willing workers with willing employers" and would "promote compassion" by fixing what one called "a broken system." The officials declined to call it an amnesty program.

Under the proposal, workers in other countries could also apply for guest worker status in the United States, provided there was no American to take the job.

But the president's plans are expected to face a tough fight in Congress, where conservative Republicans have said they consider programs like the one the president is proposing nothing more than amnesty for people who have broken the law.

The president's proposals were designed to appeal to Hispanic groups, a constituency that the White House is focusing on as Mr. Bush seeks re-election this year. The proposals are expected to be embraced by President Vicente Fox of Mexico, who has been lobbying for them for the past three years.

Mr. Bush is to meet with Mr. Fox at an economic summit next week in Monterrey, Mexico, where immigration will be a significant part of the agenda and Mr. Bush's proposals are likely to become a major focus.

Mr. Bush's proposal is closely modeled on legislation introduced last summer by Senator John McCain and Representatives Jim Kolbe and Jeff Flake, all Republicans from Arizona. The issue of illegal workers has been an important one there.

"We are ecstatic that they are addressing this," Mr. Flake said in a telephone interview on Tuesday night. "We've maintained all along that you have to deal with both sides of the issue — those who want to come to the country, and those who are here now. We're very happy to see a realistic approach. We deal with it daily, and we have to have a rational policy."

Mr. Bush's proposal is in some ways more generous to illegal workers than is Mr. Flake's bill. The legislation, for example, requires that a guest worker wait three years before applying for a green card. Under Mr. Bush's proposal, a worker could apply for a green card right away.

Mr. Bush's proposals apply to all illegal immigrants in the United States, which officials estimate at 8 million to 14 million people. About 60 percent are thought to be Mexican. No one is certain how many undocumented workers there are among all illegal immigrants, but Mr. Fox has said that some 3.5 million of the workers are Mexican.

Mr. Bush entered office with immigration reform at the top of his foreign policy agenda, and in the late summer of 2001 various guest worker proposals were under discussion by United States and Mexican officials. But the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks that year led to increased concerns about the safety of America's borders and derailed the negotiations.

Under Mr. Bush's proposals, an undocumented worker and an employer would have to apply for the guest worker program hand in hand, with the employer serving as the sponsor for the worker. There would also be a fee to register for the program, but administration officials would not say how much that would be.

The plan also includes incentives for workers to return to their countries, like a promise of retirement benefits there based on income earned in the United States.

Critics of Mr. Bush's proposal noted that unless the White House sought, and obtained, a large increase in the number of green cards issued each year, many of the undocumented workers who apply under the president's program could face an extended wait — 10 to 20 years, by some estimates — for residency.

Administration officials acknowledge that the wait for a green card can take up to six years or longer, meaning that some guest workers who apply for green cards but do not receive them would face the prospect of being forced to leave the United States. In that case, critics of the proposal said Tuesday night, workers would be better off remaining illegal and staying indefinitely in the United States, rather than revealing themselves to immigration officials when they sign up for a program that may, these critics assert, lead to their deportation.

"They're asking people to sign up for a program that is more likely to ensure their departure than ensure their permanent residency," said Cecilia Munoz, a vice president of the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy organization.

Groups opposed to increased immigration also criticized the president's proposal. "It's an amnesty, no matter how much they dance around the fact," said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center on Immigration Studies, a group that seeks to limit immigration. "It's legalizing illegal immigrants."

The White House, Mr. Krikorian said, "has been twisting itself in knots about using the word amnesty. They've had all of these ridiculous euphemisms, but illegal aliens get legal status, and that's an amnesty."

Other critics say that the guest worker program could lead to the exploitation of immigrant workers. "If you are dependent on an employer filing a petition on your behalf, that employer has a tremendous club over you," said one person briefed on the president's proposal.

But an administration official said that the plan would protect the rights of undocumented workers, "who now live in the shadows, and are fearful of coming out of the shadows."

A number of limited guest worker programs already exist in the United States, but they are designed for skilled technology workers, who typically come from India, China and Eastern Europe.

Mr. Bush will also argue, administration officials said, that his plan will make the country safer by giving the authorities a better idea of who is in the country and crossing its borders.


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To: Reactionary
Fact: What was supposed to be a one and only time amnesty by Reagan has resulted in 10 to 14 million criminals living in America. They were waiting for the 2nd and last amnesty.

Questions: Ask our deceptive President when will we have the 3rd and final amnesty. What will the numbers be and what color flag will be flying over the White House when it happens?

41 posted on 01/07/2004 3:26:48 AM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: sarcasm
I don't support this plan, but I have to say that almost all of the voiced opposition I have seen to it here on FR has been misguided, I think.

His proposal is brilliant except for one flaw.

The brilliance? The part that says anyone wanting to take part in this must get their employer to show no Americans wanted the job.

That will cause the cost of those involved significantly higher. Companies will be forced to show that they tried to find Americans for the job. They will have to be prepared to defend lawsuits from out of work Americans and the ever rabid trial lawyers if they want to rely on these workers. This cost will make it so that the jobs which the people are coming across the border to get won't be there, which removes the incentive for crossing the border, particularly if the benefits only go to those who have jobs and are paying taxes.

Further, for those who do manage to get their employer to vouch that no American wanted the job, so that they can get into the program, we now know who they are and where they are, two things we don't now know, all in exchange for involvement in a program which could be legislated away at any time. Some would be skeptical that it ever would be, but in an economic downturn, ending a guest worker program so Americans could get the jobs would be very politically doable.

And of all the illegals who are out there now, there are some who are harmless and those who are not. Those who sign up for this would more often than not be in the harmless side; they are the ones who really would rather not be hiding and don't mind us knowing they are here. This would make the pool of those who are here completely illegally smaller, which would lessen the burden on our security agencies.

As specified, the proposal is worlds, worlds, worlds better than I had feared based on the initial reports and the initial debate here.

So it is brilliant in that it would put a damper on further illegal immigration, pressure companies to not hire illegals, would get many illegals to tell us who and where they are. I am pretty sure that as this debate rolls on, almost all of the leftist leaning immigration groups are going to come out hot and heavy against these proposals. That should tell us something.

But it has a fatal flaw which means that we really should be opposing it anyway- namely that the courts would very likely find some reason to strike down that one very provision, stating that it is an impossible standard to meet (you know liberal judges). And if that one aspect of the plan is removed, then the whole thing is garbage.

Relying on a single beam of support in a very large structure when there are sledgehammer weilding Judges all over the place is a very bad idea.

42 posted on 01/07/2004 7:12:52 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: Shermy
Did you see where the Labor Dept. has sent memos to businesses telling them how to get out of paying OT to low wage workers that just became eligible through their new policies?

Methinks it's time to find a party that has principles!!
43 posted on 01/07/2004 7:24:38 AM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: sarcasm; gubamyster; FairOpinion; FoxFang; FITZ; moehoward; Nea Wood; Joe Hadenuf; sangoo; ...
Seeing REDPing!
44 posted on 01/07/2004 7:49:22 AM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: sarcasm; BagCamAddict; ganeshpuri89; pokerbuddy0; cgk; Sabertooth; Donna Lee Nardo; ...
"WE" are being terrorized with this Ping!
45 posted on 01/07/2004 7:50:32 AM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: WRhine
The Bush Family needs to be cut loose from the Republican Party

We won't get fooled again.

46 posted on 01/07/2004 8:00:31 AM PST by Regulator (No no)
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To: sarcasm
Bush will not survive this filthy backstabbing of conservatives and America.

Tancredo says the reasons are clear, and he's right:

-Rewarding illegal behaivor to gain votes.
-Rewarding corporate campaign donors with cheap labor.

I will not compromise my principles in November for a man who said nothing while the 10 Commandments were dragged out of the courthouse, who wants to reward the world's biggest terrorist and Jew-killer with his own terror state, and now proposes a blanket amnesty for illegals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Outrageous!
47 posted on 01/07/2004 9:33:11 AM PST by tubavil
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To: sarcasm
(saracasm) Welcome to the United States, where Illegal Immigrants have more rights than Native Born Citizens.
48 posted on 01/07/2004 9:35:42 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Libloather
Uh, yeah, That's the law...
49 posted on 01/07/2004 9:39:30 AM PST by tubavil
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To: Paul C. Jesup
We citizens ought to be doing our civic duty and making sure this does NOT happen.

Recall campaigns are a start for any politician who expresses support for this.

Put the heat on the multinational corporations that are pushing this legislation. Wells Fargo, Bank of America, CitiBank to name a few. And we know about WalMart, Tyson foods, home depot and the scores and scores of hotel and restaurants around the country.

Let some of this anger be directed at the people who are hiring them.
50 posted on 01/07/2004 9:42:17 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Fixit
ONE-TERMER
51 posted on 01/07/2004 9:42:24 AM PST by tubavil
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To: nwrep
"Wow. Bush may manage to piss off both Conservatives and Hispanics with this brilliant move."

Well, he certainly managed to piss me off, anyway.
52 posted on 01/07/2004 9:50:01 AM PST by ought-six
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To: sarcasm
My God, can you imagine the massive flood of illegals pouring across the border just so they'll already be here when this goes into effect? We will have what amounts to 25 million illegals in this country by that time (I get my number from the comment some politico said about the number of illegals "doubling" in order to qualify for this amnesty, and current estimates of illegals in this country range between 8 million and 14 million, so I figured 12.5 million was a nice round number, and likely accurate).
53 posted on 01/07/2004 9:54:06 AM PST by ought-six
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To: sarcasm
While I don't like this and it is probably no solution at all to the problem, I don't see a quick solution. At least there is now an official admission in the Admin that there is a problem.
54 posted on 01/07/2004 9:55:08 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: sarcasm
The Bush proposal is national suicide, pure and simple.
55 posted on 01/07/2004 9:55:18 AM PST by ought-six
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To: navyblue
"Do any of you have friends/relatives who have been waiting years for an immigrant visa?"

My mother. She came to this country legally, obeying all the rules and regulations, and what the Bush proposal basically does is say she was a chump for playing by the rules.
56 posted on 01/07/2004 9:57:32 AM PST by ought-six
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To: sarcasm
I smell another disinformation campaign! I have a hunch the President is about to blind side the bashers on both sides of the aisle...again!
57 posted on 01/07/2004 9:58:13 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: boycott
"I am a conservative Republican but I've just about had enough of Bush giving away the farm for his re-election."

He's quickly losing my vote. I won't vote for any of the Dim candidates, though, and I will vote for other offices. But I'll likely be sitting out the presidential vote.
58 posted on 01/07/2004 10:00:22 AM PST by ought-six
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To: Beck_isright
It's funny, but great nations usually commit national suicide. Rome did it; Greece did it; France (and at on time France WAS a great nation) did it; Britain did it; and we are now doing it. The only nation that has not done it, in its long history, is China.
59 posted on 01/07/2004 10:03:27 AM PST by ought-six
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To: sarcasm
"Bush was the worst choice I ever made in the voting booth."

Jimmy Carter was mine, in 1976. And then George Ryan in Illinois, in 1998.
60 posted on 01/07/2004 10:06:01 AM PST by ought-six
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