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IS MOVE ON DOT ORG HEADED TO HELL FOR LYING TO RABBI MARVIN HIER?
Simon Wiesenthal site | 1-6-04 | dfu

Posted on 01/06/2004 8:02:33 PM PST by doug from upland

Hugh Hewitt had on his show today Rabbi Marvin Hier from the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. Like many Jewish leaders, the Rabbi was outraged that move on dot org compared Bush to Hitler.

Below is the story regarding the half-hearted apology and excuse made by move on dot org. Are they lying to the Rabbi? You decide.

Here is the beginning of the responses by FReeper Prodigal Son . He may have caught them in a lie to the Rabbi. First read the apology, then we'll explain.



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January 5, 2004

SWC ACCEPTS REGRETS FROM MOVEON.ORG FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT WES BOYD

The Simon Wiesenthal Center said today that it accepts the regrets expressed by its Founder and President, Wes Boyd regarding the posting of two ads comparing President George Bush to Adolf Hitler.

In a telephone call to Rabbi Marvin Hier, the Center’s Dean and Founder, Mr. Boyd stated, “We certainly agree that the ads in question should not have appeared even in our voting process, even as 2 in 1500 ads submitted by members of the public, and we’ll work more diligently in the future to filter out such content.”

The statement released by MoveOn.org states, in part, the following:



We agree that the two ads in question were in poor taste and deeply regret that they (the ads) slipped through our screening process. In the future, if we publish or broadcast raw material, we will create a more effective filtering system.

The Wiesenthal Center is one of the largest international Jewish human rights organizations with over 400,000 member families in the United States. It is an NGO at international agencies including the United Nations, UNESCO, the OSCE, and the Council of Europe.

For more information, contact the Center’s Public Relations department, 310-553-9036.




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"slipped through our screening process," my butt.

By pulling the source code, Prodigal Son was able to determine that the 15 finalists each have a number. Strangely, No. 2 is missing. It goes from No. 1 to No. 3. Run your curser over it, and you can see the URLs. The issue raised by Prodigal Son is that he surmises that the Hitler video was intended to be a finalist and labeled as No. 2. When they started feeling the heat, they pulled it. He surmises that it was not a simple oversight.

Check out BUSH IN 30 SECONDS.

HERE ARE SOME OF THE URLs in order:

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/01_small.shtml - CHILD'S PAY

(No. 2 is missing)

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/03_small.shtml - IN MY COUNTRY

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/04_small.shtml - POLYGRAPH

(No. 5-14 are in order)

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/15_small.shtml - BUSH'S REPAIR SHOP

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/17_small.shtml - GONE IN 30 SECONDS

From Prodigal Son --

Also, there is a slight clue in the HTML source code. The way it looks to me (if my code reading is right) they had the ads rigged as a table. They already had it set up for the cells to load whatever image was named number 2, number three etc. This loading would happen from a cache of images. But if they had simply gone in and removed the image from the cache, they would have had an empty table cell. The only away around that is to rewrite the code for the whole table.

But there is a short cut. They just went in and whacked that table cell out of the code. That way, there is no cell wanting to load image number 2 when it's not there. The first cell wants to load "1", the second cell (being bumped up in the code due to the cutting of the second cell) now loads number three and there is no empty cell.

The giveaway is in the code. The rest of the code is clean and regular. There is a gap in the code where that cell used to be. It stands out, if you consider how the rest of the code is nice and regular. Give it a look.

If you want to know more, let me know. They've left their fingerprints all over this crime.

Hugh Hewitt has a rabbi on right now- it might be the same one. I'm in the UK. A freeper could call and let them know right now basically.

35 posted on 01/06/2004 7:14:45 PM PST by Prodigal Son [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]


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Okay, FReepers, have at it. I'd love to hear from some of you computer experts. It they lied to the Rabbi, we are going to make sure he knows it.
1 posted on 01/06/2004 8:02:34 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: Prodigal Son
Way to go.
2 posted on 01/06/2004 8:03:15 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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3 posted on 01/06/2004 8:04:01 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Freepers post from sun to sun, but a fundraiser bot's work is never done.)
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To: doug from upland; Prodigal Son
I saw the source code too, prompted by Prodigal Son, and I think he's on to something.

MoveOn should be asked if these two movies were at one time intended to be finalists in their contest.
4 posted on 01/06/2004 8:12:10 PM PST by michaelt
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To: doug from upland
bump for publicity
5 posted on 01/06/2004 8:16:35 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA
Bump this sucker to the top!!!
6 posted on 01/06/2004 8:20:45 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Admin Moderator
Can this go to breaking news???
7 posted on 01/06/2004 8:22:17 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: michaelt
I am going to make sure the Rabbi asks them that question.
8 posted on 01/06/2004 8:22:57 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland; Prodigal Son
Oh my goodness...
9 posted on 01/06/2004 8:25:24 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: doug from upland
bump
10 posted on 01/06/2004 8:27:01 PM PST by Dagny Taggart
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To: doug from upland; Prodigal Son
Outstanding!!!
11 posted on 01/06/2004 8:27:25 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: doug from upland
"IS MOVE ON DOT ORG HEADED TO HELL FOR LYING TO RABBI MARVIN HIER?"

Hell? What's that?
Signed, Members of MoveOn.Org
Also doing business as Proud G-dless Anarchists, INC.

(end sarcasm)
12 posted on 01/06/2004 8:27:28 PM PST by VOA
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To: doug from upland; Prodigal Son
Hey, way to go to both of you. It's not just a lie, it's a clumsy lie, or a pile of them.

They're shabby Stalinists, and like all Stalinists, they have no problem with lying to clergymen.

13 posted on 01/06/2004 8:29:47 PM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Focault's Pendulum
Prodigal Son did it.
14 posted on 01/06/2004 8:29:55 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Petronski
This is provable. If the Rabbi asks, will he be allowed to have an expert go through their server? I doubt it. He will know they are lying.
15 posted on 01/06/2004 8:32:03 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: Petronski
Is there any other logical reason why they would have jumped from No. 1 to No. 3. I can't think of one.
16 posted on 01/06/2004 8:37:45 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland
So, they intended to have the Bush- Hitler ads in their finalists for consideration, so they absolutely knew what they were doing. Good job, FReepers.
17 posted on 01/06/2004 8:37:46 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (The Democratic Party: Without an electoral mandate for almost 28 years.)
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To: Prodigal Son
Are you awake in Australia?
18 posted on 01/06/2004 8:38:12 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland
To further expand on this:

The way that table was set up, if they were pressed for time, the easiest way to fix it would be to cut the offending cell out. They could then just add a cell at the bottom of the table. It's an easy fix and totally legitimate. Nothing at all wrong with that and it's not even shoddy authoring. It's just a shortcut. But it leaves signs. One little one being the gap between the lines of the code when you don't see that anywhere else in the table.

Why would an author begin a table like this with the number one and then go to number three, then four, five etc? If you were making this table fresh not knowing really what was going to wind up in it, you'd number 'em chronologically One, Two, Three. It makes no sense to skip a number.

But the thing is, the images also have an English name attached- one word that lets the authors organize the files. For example- the first film is called "Child's Pay". The word the authors use on the file is "pay"- as in: pay_sm.jpg This is a good way to organize the images. It's simple, it's less confusing than a mere number.

This implies that whatever they had in cell number two (which is no longer there) had a link to a still image that had a one word identifier which would've corresponded with the name of the film. This means that they would've had to look at the stills to name them and there is practically no way that they would have failed to see Hitler in there.

Since this is the finalist page we're talking about here and they had set the table up to load fifteen images (for the fifteen finalists), it means they knew the Hitler video was number two on the finalist page when they inserted the code on the page. Therefore they lied to the rabbi when they said they didn't know.

19 posted on 01/06/2004 8:38:28 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: will1776
We are not certain, but it does appear that way, doesn't it?
20 posted on 01/06/2004 8:38:48 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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