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[JohnGalt]

John Flynn, a commentator from the Old Right, wrote the Rooselvelt Myth in the '40s and he reflected what was since the '40s the standard conservative interpretation of Pearl Harbor and FDR.

Gubmint schools, of course, kept that far from the minds of their inmates.

From 2001:

[glasseye]

The last big shooting war was fought to save Joe Stalin

Your a funny guy.

I think you have stopped digging a hole for yourself and begun pulling the dirt in upon your head(and apprently some large rocks too....)

I just love entertaining fools.....

[JohnGalt]

I thank god every day I don't see the world through the eyes of a liberal calling himself a conservative.

God's Speed Mexifornia.

[MacDorcha]

well for one thing, you are taking advantage of several space-age technologies that would not have developed if Florida hadnt been useable by the obvious monetary giant of the US. for another, we are now living in this world, and if you would to get into philosophy, i can tell you that the world we are now in exists as it is best. any other way, and you have no promises that you wuold even be, so you must assume that it is for the eventual best.

[JohnGalt]

You give credit to the gubmint for "space age technologies" then attempt to state your world view and your other worldly clairvoyance: "i can tell you that the world we are now in exists as it is best" and I am suppose to think you are a conservative rather than a liberal?

Gotta say you are leaning way left right now.

[MacDorcha]

radicla liberal, eh? you have now crossed the line into la-la land. as you are saying, reagan was a conservative only by realitivity. he wasnt conservative enough for you. i have two things to say to that.
1) radicals in either party are a danger to society.
and
2) liberal mind-set is what gave us the "all things are realitive" bull that you have just sent forth. the only difference is, they think that their is no moral best. you simply think that their is no moral better than you.

im done with talking to you now.

[stands2reason]

It's called "moving the goalposts."

That particular fallacy is rather rare here, except on troll postings and barf alerts.

It shows that you are wasting your time and should ignore the poster.

IOW, it takes a phony to know a phony.

[MacDorcha]

well i can say that without moderates, which i seem to find myself more and more to be, esp compared to yourself. this would be one mean world that i really wouldnt want to live in.

[MacDorcha]

he also professed to follow George Washington. yet he is pulling bias into almost everything he says. George Washington stood for no party, and actually didnt want them to happen.

[JohnGalt]

TR was one of the most bloodthirsty men to ever hold the Executive Office. He subscribed to all kinds of racialist and eugenic ideas. How can you argue he was anything but a radical?

I don't use terms like liberal and conservative to suggest moral or immoral-- that is Marxist linguistics. Children paint things in such black or white scenarios, total evil versus total good.

[JohnGalt]

Parties are organizational entities and as Washington argued, my loyalties remain to liberty not the parties. However, on the plain of politics, the Republican Party is the current home for conservatives so I do my best to encourage very selective admission in order to conserve the conservative character of the GOP.

[thoughtomator]

Yeah I know that... I just thought that demonstrating the ease of discrediting such a statement would encourage him to think a bit longer before he types next time.

[Flightdeck]

That book, Charlie Wilson's War was shocking. I couldn't believe one man was basically able to engineer and instigate that whole thing.

[JohnGalt]

I realize 60 Minutes gave it ample time, but why do you think the story does not have 'real' legs? A 'fellow traveler' on FR turned me on to the book a few months ago.

[stands2reason]

Considering the goalposts ruse only works if your fellow debater sufferes from dementia, I was surprised to find it used here on FR (as opposed to DU). I mean, our words are carved in cyberspace. It's not like we can't go back and see what was posted.

It's sad, really. Conceding on a minor point doesn't make your whole argument go out the window. You can get past it and move on. But if you try to pretend you weren't wrong or you never made the statement, then you just look like an ass, and no one has to take any of your argument seriously. DU'ers don't get that. Thankfully most Freepers do.

[JohnGalt]

LOL, 10/17/01.

[MacDorcha]

i am going to step out of my saying i would not speak with you for one more bout. this is it though.

there is a good, and there is an evil. it IS black and white, even if not purely in actions, but in situations and timing as well. God and Satan exist, and there is no way for you to prove otherwise, but their is evidence for my side.

as for being "bloodthirsty" i must say that a man who has had the most popular stuffed animal named after him doesnt exactly have the reputation.

now, i am finished with you. good day.

[MacDorcha]

dont give him to much heed, he posted that Washington was against parties, so he says he following him. then he points out that he is subscribing to conservative mantre, and so goes to the republican party. i wasnt aware of liberals or conservatives making plain old liberty the focus of their standpoints. its how we choose to preserve liberty that makes the conservatives and liberals, but he still hasnt made that connection yet.

[JohnGalt]

Stick to your coloring books, Son. Real history might be to complex for you.

[MacDorcha]

i believe i said "good day" Pops. just because you're too old to enjoy life (or so you seem to feel) doesnt give you the right to talk down to me. in case you havent noticed, your views on this thread (and it seems in this website) arent exactly what we most agree on, and seeing as a polictical website IS the thoughts of the party, you seem to be in the wrong. get over yourself you disgruntled paranoid troll.

btw, if you took the time to enjoy a colouring book once in a while, maybe youd be happier? you said you got kids, right? play with them. its only life, dont take it too seriously, noone makes it out alive.