The gift that eats people

Propertyrightsresearch.org | Dec 31 03 | Jan Jacobson

[rustbucket]

30-year old attacked

I hadn't heard about the above 2003 attack until I googled it up tonight. The attack took place in the Basin part of the Chisos Mountains in Big Bend Park. I was hiking in the upper part of the Basin when I found a mountain lion paw print (post 17).

[Old Professer]

If you can show me a panther that can cross-pollinate plants, maybe I'll accept your comparison.

[okie01]

I've been on that Basin trail myself. Guess we were both lucky...

[WackyKat]

The attack took place in the Basin part of the Chisos Mountains in Big Bend Park. I was hiking in the upper part of the Basin when I found a mountain lion paw print (post 17).

I've backpacked a lot in the desert southwest and seen lion tracks many times. And bear tracks. And rattlesnakes

So what?

People in this country in far more danger from automobiles, junk food diets, and criminals than wildlife.

[GladesGuru]

My Dear Whacky,

Time for a bit of reality, like basic math, elementary statistical analysis, and learning to differentiate between reality and projections.

But before I begin your lessons, try to remember that survival is the most basic right. Being eaten alive is the ultimate violation, wouldn't you agree?

To start, "Let's do the math" and the statistics. The risk for these cats is not spread evenly across the roughly 250 million Americans. All Americans are exposed to lightening to one extent or another.

But almost no Americans live where there are panther. So the annual ten attacks & one death are a risk to far less than 2.5 million Americans. For the risk to be equal for all Americans, there would have to be 250 divided by 2.5 or 1,000 attacks & 100 deaths per year.

Unless the whacko's can arrange for 100 times the present number of panther, and arrange for them to be evenly distributed across America, those of us exposed to these ill advised "reintroductions" are at at least 100 times the risk you so snidely implied.

I am assuming that you didn't have any statistical background because if you did, then you would have been deliberately deceptive. And that is not something which I think a FReeper would be.

There is another far greater flaw in your argument. The stuck-in-a-chimney deaths, and those of bee keepers, and even most of those who are struck by lightning - are voluntary risks assumed by the citizen who died of those things.

That unfortunate citizen decided to go into that chimney. The bee keeper chose that job, and that citizen chose to go outside.

I have had my life recklessly endangered by someone else's decision. I did not agree to assume this unnecessary risk -some enviro-socialist whacko forced me into this position.

The same applies to others who live where these large-bodied predators have been either "reintroduced" or been coddled and cossetted by the "panther panderers" I mentioned in the article.

This issue is only political to the extent that any party so abysmally stupid as to support such ill advised programs deserves any voter rejection which their actions bring onto their nasty socialism impaired heads.

But I do have a personal agenda - not being eaten.

Make that two agenda issues - not standing by while elderly heighbors are recklessly endangered by 'crats who knew they were endangering us before they began this project.

The test is in the next election. You, and the Republic, must live with what you have learned.

[GladesGuru]

"People in this country in far more danger from automobiles, junk food diets, and criminals than wildlife."

- - 'in this country' isn't the same as 'in panther country'

The difference is detailed in post # 25.

[GladesGuru]

As I remember his description in the book, he was probably both drunk and blissed out totally. A conservative watching Red-Cooked Crow being eaten in all directions

Schadenfreude to the max!

[rustbucket]

People in this country in far more danger from automobiles, junk food diets, and criminals than wildlife.

Not when hiking in mountain lion country.

My company required that I get bear training and be accompanied by an armed bear guard when going to remote parts of Alaska on company business. Guess they should have talked to you first.

[farmfriend]

Rights, farms, environment ping.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

[drhogan]

are mountain lions, cougars, panthers, and pumas all the same thing? (I'm from new york.)

[GladesGuru]

All are the same, Felix concolor.

[AnalogReigns]

Shoot
Shovel
Shut-up

(the famous 3 S's)

[AnalogReigns]

I believe mountain lions, cougers, and panthers are exactly the same thing.

Pumas are similar but found only in South America (I believe they have spots or are jet black...not the tawny color of a couger).

[AnalogReigns]

Oops, my bad. They are all the same thing, including the puma.

"Puma, cougar, panther, mountain lion - FELlS CONCOLOR

Class: Animals with Milk Glands (Mammalia)
Subclass: True Mammals (Eutheria)
Order: Meat-eating Mammals (Carnivora)
Family: Felidae.

The Name "Puma": "Puma" is the Quechua word for the animal. "Cougar" is a derivative of the Tupi word "suasuarana," which means "deer-like" (in color). "Panther" is the Greek word for the animal. "Lion" comes from the Greek word "leon," for the animal.

Location: Western North America and South America.

Habitat: Terrestrial. All types.

Description: The size of the puma varies considerably over its large geographic range. The basic coloration is yellowish-brown on top and pale underneath. The young are born with a speckled coat and a ringed tail, but the markings disappear as the young grow. In the adult, the only traces remaining are black markings on the head. The puma grows over five feet long, with almost three more feet for its tail. It can weigh up to 225 pounds, but the female is generally smaller.


Behavior: This is a solitary and territorial animal. The male spends a lot of time marking his large territory, but rarely defends it convincingly. The female has a smaller territory, which may overlap slightly with that of a male. The puma preys on most species of mammals but seems to prefer deer. It is a powerful and expert hunter and can jump up to 20 feet upwards in a single bound! By nature active both day and night, it has become strictly nocturnal in areas inhabited by man, its only enemy apart from wolves.

Reproduction: After a gestation period of 90 days, usually two or three (but sometimes as many as six) young are born in protected dens in caves or under ledges or roots. The young pumas are independent after two years.

from: http://www.americazoo.com/goto/index/mammals/310.htm

[AnalogReigns]

Here's the other American cat I was thinking of:



Jaguar - PANTHERA ONCA

Endangered

Class: Animals with Milk Glands (Mammalia)
Subclass: True Mammals (Eutheria)
Order: Meat-eating Mammals (Carnivora)
Family: Felidae.

The Name "Jaguar": "Jaguar" comes from the South American Tupi word "jaguara."

Location: From the southern United States to latitude 400 in South America.

Habitat: Tropical forests.

Description: The coat is bright yellow, almost reddish on the back, and has conspicuous circular markings, or rosettes, with a small black spot in the middle. The belly is white. The eight subspecies are distinguished by only minor features. The head is large and bulky, the body is robust, and the short legs are powerfully built. They can reach six feet long, with a tail another two and a half feet long, and a top weight around 250 pounds.


Behavior: The jaguar is most abundant around rivers or other bodies of water, and it is a good swimmer. The jaguar hunts on the ground and in trees. Its prey varies from tapirs to monkeys, to tortoises, and also includes livestock. It is solitary and only forms pairs for the brief courtship and mating season, which occurs in the spring further north and at any time of the year in the tropics.

Reproduction: Gestation lasts about 95 days after which two to four young are born. They nurse for three or four months and remain with the mother for about two years

Note: Because of man's interference - particularly through hunting and the destruction of the jaguars’ habitat - the number of jaguars has been drastically reduced, and the species is becoming seriously endangered.

[AnalogReigns]

Puma (or mountain lion, or panther, or couger):

Jaguar (in Latin America):

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!

[IrishCatholic]

At the web site Strange Cosmos there is a series of three pictures of a bear killed by an Alaskan ranger. The ranger was hunting elk when the bear charged. The bear was over 12 ft. and a thousand pounds. The first picture was of the ranger and the bears head. The second was the Ranger holding up the bears paw. The third was of the guy the bear had previously eaten.
In the city we may be at the top of the food chain, but in the woods,to lions and tigers and bears, oh my, we are food.
What was the name of the bear expert that would walk with bears? He would go right up to them etc. It was because he 'understood' them. He and his girlfriend got eaten by a bear. May God have mercy on them. I remember the story. The bear had kept parts to eat later. The parts were seen by helicopter near the campsite of the expert and the bear was shot. NOT the bear's fault. It was just being a bear. Just like cougars are cougars.
So when some idiot releases cougars next to a kids camp I would take a scene from "The Ghost and the Darkness". I would stake out the person responsible near the kid's camp fence. The lions would then be drawn to the struggles of the person. Then I would, if I was still awake, shoot the lion. O.K., so I am kidding. But I would make sure my kid never went near that area.

[tubebender]

Thanks for some useful info here. Is it true that a lion will hang around a recent kill. There is a lion or two roaming within and around Arcata and Eureka killing livestock and pets. One was shot by a trapper near a recent llama kill here...

[wjcsux]

The parkpersons are surely ridiculous, even dishonest, and are defrauding and endangering the public. But how does this relate to global warming? regards, risa
We are dealing with liberals here. If they make a claim, it must be true.