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Vatican appeasement
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| JOSEPH D'HIPPOLITO
Posted on 01/05/2004 5:41:48 AM PST by SJackson
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posted on
01/05/2004 5:41:48 AM PST
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SJackson
To: SJackson
"I feel pity to see this man destroyed, being treated like a cow as they checked his teeth," Martino said. Would he rather the US let Saddam suffer with bad cavities? I don't recall reading that he had any Crest in the spider hole.
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posted on
01/05/2004 5:44:29 AM PST
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To: highlander_UW
Cardinal Renato Martino is a lefty. Bear in mind that the opinion of one bishop is as good as any other singular opinion. Even mine.
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posted on
01/05/2004 5:47:10 AM PST
by
TheGeezer
To: SJackson
clash of civilizations that (he) considers ominous for the fate of humanity He need not worrry about humanity. As a whole, humanity will do fine in any such clash of civilizations.
Islam, on the other hand, will suffer terribly.
-ccm
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posted on
01/05/2004 6:18:07 AM PST
by
ccmay
To: SJackson
No news here. They're all like that when it comes to the enemies of America.
To: SJackson
he wants to be the next pope and is showing how progressive he is.
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posted on
01/05/2004 6:22:33 AM PST
by
camle
(keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
To: SJackson
Take the comments of Cardinal Paul Poupard, president of the Pontifical Council for Culture, made one day before the first anniversary of the September 11 attacks: "Many of the so-called values of present Western civilization are anything but values; the destruction of the family, the exaltation of homosexuality, the spread of pornography, growing immorality, abortion, gratuitous violence, the exclusion of God in the edification of society stir contempt and hatred for decadent Western society in other civilizations." Why if the Church fills that Western society is full of corrupt values do they continue to support American politicians that believe in abortion and immorality, like the Kennedeys. Ted Kennedy should be excommunicated Church until he renounces abortions, if the Church wants to make a point about Western values. Mother Theresa sure let the Western leaders know her viewpoints of abortion. She didn't hesitate to tell the Clintons off.
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posted on
01/05/2004 6:23:20 AM PST
by
FR_addict
To: SJackson
Why would a Roman Catholic cardinal who leads a papal commission express public sympathy for a murderous, sadistic tyrant?Because he's a dumbass.
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posted on
01/05/2004 6:28:24 AM PST
by
Petronski
(I'm not always cranky.)
To: Petronski
Petronski, I couldn't have said it any better myself.
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posted on
01/05/2004 6:40:27 AM PST
by
Catspaw
To: SJackson
"Vatican's position of appeasing Arab dictators"
Make up your mind folks. Do you want crusades under the banner of the Vatican, a medieval theocracy that influences divisions of military; well then put the Reformation back in the bottle.
Besides, Muslim diminitude destroyed the lambs of the Catholic church through the centuries - talk about hating the victim.
"Given Rome's internal rivalries, however, it remains an open question whether a pope and his Vatican that behaved like Winston Churchill in the face of communism will continue to behave like Neville Chamberlain in the face of jihadism and Islam."
More bullshit. Winston Churchill was a military man from day one. The only weapon the Vatican has is to choose martyrdom.
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posted on
01/05/2004 8:21:25 AM PST
by
reed_inthe_wind
(That Hillary really knows how to internationalize my MOJO.)
To: Petronski
Because he's a dumbass.God sometimes tests His Church by giving it inept bishops---and even popes.
To: SJackson
The author seems quite ignorant of Augustinian Just War theory. Indeed, he did not even mention it in this article.
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posted on
01/05/2004 11:41:41 AM PST
by
JohnGalt
("Nothing happened on 9/11 to make the federal government more competent.")
To: JohnGalt
This is how the author of this column presents Cardinal Martino's quote:
Why would a Roman Catholic cardinal who leads a papal commission express public sympathy for a murderous, sadistic tyrant?
Cardinal Renato Martino unintentionally motivated thoughtful people to ask that question after his remarks following the capture of Saddam Hussein by American troops December 12.
Martino, president of the Pontifical Commission on Peace and Justice, told a press conference that he "had a sense of compassion for him" after watching the video confirming Saddam's capture.
"I feel pity to see this man destroyed, being treated like a cow as they checked his teeth," Martino said.
This is what the Cardinal actually said:
"I felt pity to see this man destroyed. The military looking at his teeth, as if he were a beast. They could have spared us these pictures. Seeing him like this, a man in his tragedy, despite all the heavy blame he bears, I had a sense of compassion for him."
Rather pathetic. All of the warbots have been purposefully misquoting what he said. I would read the rest of the author's "quotes" of other Church officials with a heavy dose of suspicion. These people are despicable.
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posted on
01/05/2004 12:40:42 PM PST
by
Burkeman1
("If you see ten troubles comin down the road, nine will run into the ditch before they reach you")
To: Burkeman1
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posted on
01/05/2004 12:52:29 PM PST
by
Burkeman1
("If you see ten troubles comin down the road, nine will run into the ditch before they reach you")
To: JohnGalt
The author seems quite ignorant of Augustinian Just War theory. Indeed, he did not even mention it in this article. Or perhaps he avoided it because in the opinion of many conservative Catholics (though admittedly not all), Vatican spokemen mangled their statements on the subject of Just War leading up to our invasion. So much so, it requires an article of its own just to get through, in my opinion.
Unless you came to the table already well schooled in it, you'd think Just War theory is all amout multi-lateral negotiation and international law, and little else. And if you came to the table with even a bit of knowledge on the topic, you came away even more confused because of what was not said by very high Vatican officials in attempts to lecture our government on the subject.
To: Snuffington
If you look at
Novak's tortured defense of the war from last February, he argues that Iraq was not an example of 'preemptive war' though the
GOP says just the opposite.In light of the lack of WMDs and no links between Saddam and 9/11, it would seem that the Bush Administration did not meet the criteria laid out by the Vatican that Novak, to his credit, did lay out.
I guess I cannot blame 'Catholic conservative' Iraq war supporters for simply ignoring the issue.
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posted on
01/05/2004 1:57:15 PM PST
by
JohnGalt
("Nothing happened on 9/11 to make the federal government more competent.")
To: ClintonBeGone
>No news here. They're all like that when it comes to the enemies of America.
Malachi Martin,
in his book, the Windswept House
says US contacts
once "advised" the Pope
that if he publicly spoke
against the US
foreign policy
"exporting" birth control to
third world countries, then
the Pope would "find out"
Popes get assassinated...
I can imagine
not everyone there
at the Vatican feels love
for the USA...
To: JohnGalt
Any reason you're changing the subject? This is a thread about Vatican spokesmen. Neither Novak nor the GOP qualify. Do you even know what the Vatican statement on Just War leading up to Iraq were? They got quite a bit of discussion in this forum at the time they were made.
Though if you don't believe Iraq had WMDs or that Saddam had any links to 9/11, you're not a very serious observer of the events in any case.
To: theFIRMbss
Well, if Malachi Martin said that, it must be true. </sarcasm>
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posted on
01/05/2004 2:16:04 PM PST
by
malakhi
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