Help Block The Rove Amnesty Plan In Congress, Contact These Congressmen

Pubbie | 1/04/04 | Pubbie

[Pubbie]

Fellow Freepers, we need to try to block the Bush Amnesty Proposal that is being prepared to be released on Wednesday, by Freeping the GOP members of the House Judiciary Committee:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52647-2004Jan3.html

The gist of the Washington Post story is that Bush will propose 3 major components on Wednesday:

1) Give an amnesty to an unspecified amount of Illegal Aliens (Probably a little less than 500,000 people.)

2) Give some sort of Social Security benefits to Illegal Aliens.

3) Create some sort of Guest Worker program.

I believe that if we put enough grass roots pressure on the GOP House Judiciary Committee members (who are listed below) we can have parts 1 and 2 completely removed from any bill in the House, and have part 3 considerably watered down if a large amount of us protest by Phoning/Faxing/E-Mailing the GOP members of the House Judiciary Committee and demanding that they reject the Amnesty (Below is a list of how to contact all members of the GOP House Judiciary Committee memebers).

Now the Buchananites here on FR will no doubt say "The GOP doesn't listen to us/There is no difference between the two parties/ blah blah blah...". But they are wrong, there is considerable opposition within the House GOP to any amnesty for Illegal immigrants.

In August 2001 the House GOP was ready to rebel against the President and kill off the original Bush Amnesty proposal, until the 911 attacks buried the plan.

All GOP politicians (With the apparent exception of Bush and Rove) know very well that illegal immigrants won't vote for Republicans.

Think about it, all politicians absolutely MUST know who is and isn't going to vote for them.

The GOP has studied the 2000 and 2002 Election Exit polls in excruciating detail, and there is no evidence whatsoever that the GOP got any headway in the Latino vote in 2002. Furthermore polls show that no headway will be made by the GOP in the 2004 election.

That is why a number of major Republican politicians in November and December of 2003 have publicly said that there was major hostility to any Amnesty program within Congress.

For Example:

* Texas Governor Rick Perry said (during a meeting with Vicente Fox no less) that there was no support for any sort of Amnesty for Illegal Immigrants in Congress.

* Arizona Senator John Kyl said the McCain/Kolbe Amnesty bill, and other Illegal Immigrant bills, would be impossible to pass in 2004.

* Texas Congressman Lamar Smith (Who sits on the Judiciary Committee) said after the Ridge Trial balloon for Amnesty to all Illegal Immigrants:

"I don't see a substantial change in immigration policy in an election year," said Rep. Lamar Smith, R-San Antonio, a House immigration subcommittee member who has expressed concern that an amnesty program for illegal immigrants could harm national security."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dallas/nation/stories/121203dnnatimmigration.76a1.html

* And Finally Tom Tancredo said in the same article:

"We have enough support on our side to stop them from liberalizing immigration law," said Mr. Tancredo, R" Colo. "And on the other hand, I don't think I have enough [support] to advance our agenda. So, that's why I think we are sort of at loggerheads."

What we Freepers need to do is, instead of voting for the Constitution Party:

1) Phone up the below members of the GOP House Judiciary Committee Members (Who are all listed below) to complain about this Amnesty plan and tell them not to pass it.

2) Fax these Congressmen to tell them to reject the plan.

3) Email these Congressmen to reject an amnesty.

If enough of us complain, it will help block the major portions of the White House's plan in the House where most Republican Congressmen are already very leary of an Amnesty plan.

PS: In your letters/phone calls/E-mails to the below Congressmen, do NOT use any vulgarity.

Regards,

Pubbie

***REPUBLICAN HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE MEMBERS***

*Chairman Of The Committee, James Sensenbrenner*

Washington, D.C. Office To write about issues pending in Congress, internships, flags, or tours, contact: 2449 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515-4905 Telephone: (202) 225-5101

My e-mail address is sensenbrenner@mail.house.gov. If you contact me through e-mail, please include your postal mailing address.

*Henry Hyde*

Washington D.C. 2110 Rayburn House Office Building Washington D.C. 20515 Phone: (202) 225-4561 Fax: (202) 225-1166

*Howard Coble*

Washington, DC 2468 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515-3306 Phone: 202.225.3065 Fax: 202.225.8611

EMAIL: howard.coble@mail.house.gov

*Lamar Smith*

Washington D.C. Office 2231 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 202-225-4236 202-225-8628 fax

*Elton Gallegly*

Office of Congressman Elton Gallegly 2427 Rayburn HOB Washington, DC 20515-0523 Phone: (202) 225-5811 FAX: (202) 225-1100

*Bob Goodlatte*

Washington, DC Office: 2240 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 (202) 225-5431 (202) 225-9681 fax

*Steve Chabot*

Washington Office

129 Cannon House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515

(202) 225-2216 (202) 225-3012 (fax)

*Bill Jenkins*

Congressman Bill Jenkins 1207 Longworth Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515 Phone No. (202) 225-6356 Fax. (202) 225-5714

*Chris Cannon*

Washington Office 118 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 Phone: (202) 225-7751 Fax: (202) 225-5629 Email: cannon.ut03@mail.house.gov

*Spencer Bachus*

Washington, D.C. Office 442 Cannon Building Washington, D.C. 20515 202 225-4921 phone 202 225-2082 fax

*John Hostettler*

Washington, DC Office 1214 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 TEL: (202) 225-4636 FAX: (202) 225-3284

Email- John.Hostettler@mail.house.gov

*Mark Green*

Congressman Mark Green 1314 Longworth Bldg. Washington, D.C. 20515 Phone: (202) 225-5665 Fax: (202) 225-5729

Mark.Green@mail.house.gov

*Ric Keller*

Washington Office:

419 Cannon House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515 Phone (202) 225-2176 Fax (202) 225-0999

*Melissa Hart*

Washington, DC Office 1508 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 Ph. 202-225-2565 Fx. 202-226-2274

*Jeff Flake*

Washington, DC Office Address:

424 Cannon House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515-0301

(202) 225-2635 - phone (202) 226-4386 - fax

*Mike Pence*

In Washington DC 1605 Longworth HOB Washington, DC 20515 (202) 225-3021 office (202) 225-3382 fax

*J. Randy Forbes*

WASHINGTON DC OFFICE 307 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6365 Fax: 202-226-1170

*Steve King*

Washington, D.C. Office Office of Congressman Steve King 1432 Longworth Office Building Washington D.C. 20515 (202) 225-4426 Fax: (202) 225-3193

*John Carter*

Washington, D.C. Office 408 CHOB Washington, D.C. 20515 (202) 225-3864

*Tom Feeney*

Washington, D.C. Office

323 Cannon House Office Building Washington DC 20515 phone:(202) 225-2706 fax:(202) 226-6299

*Marsha Blackburn*

509 Cannon House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515 202-225-2811 202-225-3004 fax

[FITZ]

Also ---- what of those illegals who did NOT commit felony document fraud by using a stolen Social Security number? Because there were actually more honest, didn't choose to commit felony document fraud --- they get no monthly Social Security checks?

Seems pretty stupid that we would actually be rewarding the worst kind of illegal --- and the more honest hard working one gets nothing.

[Once-Ler]

Tancredo is NOT a nut. He will get my write-in vote for President.

Do you believe that your Presidential write-in support for Tancredo in anyway diminishes ClintonBeGone's assertion that he is a nut?

[FITZ]

Then no proof is no proof.

In the 80s amnesty there was no proof --- so the proof had to be that someone who just came over from Mexico to get in on the amnesty had to find someone ---- anyone at all --- to write a notarized letter saying they had employed them for 5 years. So we had people knocking on our doors asking us to write them this letter and getting it signed by notary public. I even had an 18 year old girl ask me to write a letter saying I had employed her --- like I would break illegal AND child labor laws?

That's why there were only about 300,000 illegals in this country in 1986 --- but amnesty was given to over 3,000,000.

[FITZ]

Then no proof is no proof.

And it's pretty bad when all you have to do to obtain a monthly Social Security check is PROVE you committed a felony crime. If you can't prove you committed a felony crime or if you didn't commit a felony crime --- then you are out of luck.

[Cultural Jihad]

You are free to use such pejorative terms as "worst kind of illegal" but it doesn't advance your argument any. They are simply economic refugees regardless of whether they worked under the counter or by assuming someone else's identity card, and if there are 8 to 12 million of them living amonst us then we have to come to grips with the reality of their existence as our neighbors.

[txdoda]

There is already a mechanism of legal immigration. We've got more legal immigrants coming in than any other country in the world. Why do we now need a legal illegal immigration mechanism? >>>>>>>>

WE DON"T !!!

It's bad enough that Bush is thinking about this latest *reward* for illegals, I hate it that "No Amnesty, "No Blanket Amnesty" is all we hear from the WH.

When in FACT, anything other than deportation (for ALL illegals) will then be an amnesty. No matter if they call it legal status, regularization, mechanism, guest worker, etc., etc.

Looks like if he's got the guts to do it, he should have the guts to say it.....Amnesty. Any thing else he calls it is just a *SPIN* on that word to the citizens.

[FITZ]

What are the stipulations for Mexicans who are likewise caught and sent back? When can they legally enter the country?

It depends. If a Mexican is caught here --- and they were not caught committing some other crime --- and they do not lie and claim they are American citizens or show false documentation --- then they have a very nice option called "voluntary departure" or "hop in --- we'll give you a ride back to Mexico" --- and they don't have any record at all --- not even a misdeamor and there are no restrictions on them coming here legally. They can do this many times as long as they aren't caught in any other crime and choose voluntary departure. The worst they have to do is lie and claim they aren't working yet.

If they are involved in some other crime or claim they're American and it's discovered they aren't then they have to go through a legal process. Deportation gets you banned from legal entry for 5 years or forever --- if you committed a felony crime.

[Cultural Jihad]

So five years if one tries to claim one is a citizen, never if a felony crime is committed, supposedly a violent felony. Thanks for the info. I doubt the situation is much different in Mexico.

[FITZ]

Yes --- I am free to rank the illegals --- but my ranking is more or less consistent with traditional laws of this country. If they are just here and didn't commit felony fraud, even if they happened to grab a rake and make $20, they are not the criminals who are dealing in Identity theft and other serious crimes. Those types should never receive anything for committing a serious crime and should be permanently banned from reentry.

[FITZ]

If an illegal lies --- and states they are an American -- or presents stolen papers to the agent --- yes they will be sent to trial and legally deported which goes on their record as they should. Lying isn't smart in this case. The illegal who admits he's from Mexico and doesn't have papers doesn't get in any trouble --- which is fine with me.

[FITZ]

Any how --- any illegal with half a brain knows these things --- they know there are consequences if they try to pass themselves off as citizens when they have no evidence or the evidence is a bunch of stolen or forged documents. They know they are better off caught with no papers than fake papers.

[Cultural Jihad]

Well, I see it differently. If they are grabbing a rake and using someone else's card, it's not that much different from grabbing a rake and getting paid under the counter. They are economic refugees, and if the difference between feeding your family or not is forging a signature then that's a heck of a lot different from forging any other document for purposes of theft or to avoid prosecution for violent crimes.

[FITZ]

How come you're so strict when it comes to some American lighting up a joint? --- then it's throw the book at him. Or an economic refugee trying to make a few bucks selling drugs? But when it comes to people dealing in document fraud and identity theft -- you're real lenient?

[Cultural Jihad]

You are misinformed. I separate out those who deal in contraband from those who consume it, which I myself do by the way. There is nothing inherently immoral about consuming cannabis or smoking tobacco or drinking alcohol, just as there is nothing inherently sinful with working to support one's family.

[Richard-SIA]

Whatever works!

The current response certainly does not, and granting yet ANOTHER amnesty will only reinforce the idea that if the invaders can just hide out in the U.S. for a few years, they are assured of being eligible for the NEXT amnesty. Rewarding the invaders with an amnesty every few years is certain to attract more of them.

Most people seem to assume that this topic only applies to Mexico, not so, invaders are pouring in from around the world.
You may recall the recent tragic death of a young INS agent who drowned saving a Chinese invader?

[spodefly]

Don't feed the trolls. (And anyone that refers to 12 million people that have snuck across the border illegally as "economic refugees" and "neighbors" is a mindless troll.)

[Cultural Jihad]

Well, if the need arrives for another amnesty years from now then that'll be fine, too. Seems like the only alternatives are to surrender national sovereignty or to machinegun women and children at the border, and only ideologues would consider either extreme option as viable.

[Cultural Jihad]

Don't feed the trolls. (And anyone that refers to 12 million people that have snuck across the border illegally as "economic refugees" and "neighbors" is a mindless troll.)

Can we get a spot-check please on this sort of language being used on this sort of thread?

[FITZ]

Anyhow --- if these people are economic refugees --- in a country as vast in natural resouces as Mexico --- and which competes with Great Britain and Germany in number of billionaires --- then Bush should grab Fox by the scuff of the neck and ask him just what the heck is going on. Why does all prosperity come to a screeching halt at the border, why with all that oil reserves, excellent farmland, 2 ocean coasts, better weather than almost anywhere --- it's part of the same land mass as the USA after all --- why are so many people fleeing and dying to escape. He needs to hand Fox a list of demands --- changes he's to make ASAP. Get that country moving.

[FITZ]

They might be economic refugees -- but there is no excuse for them being that. Mexico has an awful lot of wealth --- so much that it can give it's ex-presidents an annual salary of $5 million a year --- ten times what an American ex-president gets --- and that is 5 million in dollars.