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Frugal couple accumulate large nest egg by choosing not to live beyond means
Seattle Times ^ | 01/04/04 | Kathleen Lynn

Posted on 01/04/2004 1:31:24 PM PST by Holly_P

"On the day I made the final payment on the house, I sealed the envelope and put the stamp on it," said Karen Manzo, 58. "Then I got up and walked through the house as if I owned it."

"Because we did," said her husband, Joe, 56.

"That was a powerful moment for me," Karen said.

At a time when the average American family has credit-card debt estimated at $9,000, the Manzos walk a different path. Middle-class people who live completely without debt, they follow the frugal prescriptions of one of their favorite books, "The Millionaire Next Door," a 1996 bestseller written by two professors who studied the nation's affluent.

The way to become wealthy, the Manzos say, is to live as if they're not wealthy. Or, in the words of the book's authors Thomas Stanley and William Danko: "Being frugal is the cornerstone of wealth-building."

The Manzos have made investing mistakes and lost money during the stock market's downturn. But they expect their thrifty lifestyle to bring them to a prosperous retirement in 10 years.

"As a byproduct of just trying to be debt-free, we accumulate wealth," said Karen, a lab technician in New Jersey. They declined to reveal their incomes or assets. But their financial planner, Lauren Locker, said they have accumulated an impressive amount on moderate incomes: "We would all be lucky to be in their position," Locker said.

The Manzos' lifestyle would not work for everyone. Their wedding 30 years ago cost all of $700. They do without cable TV. Karen squeezes the toothpaste tube "till it screams" and buys her clothes at Burlington Coat Factory and Value City (her sister teasingly calls her Karen Kmart).

Their tidy house in Paterson, N.J., was paid off in 15 years. (Danko, a professor at the University at Albany, State University of New York, said millionaires typically own less expensive houses than they can afford.) Though the Manzos, who are childless, are comfortable there, many middle-income families with children would prefer to avoid Paterson's troubled schools.

The Manzos also track their spending meticulously in two spiral notebooks — one green, for money; the other black, because they're always in the black.

As a result, they are able to save all of Karen's paycheck — about 40 percent of their pretax income.

"I think some people feel, 'What's the good of having money if you don't spend it?"' said Joe Manzo, a quality manager at a factory. "But there's a price to be paid. Debt is a self-inflicted injury. It's the choices you make. I like SUVs, but I drive a '99 Ford Escort. Our identities aren't tied to possessions. You could lose your possessions. Who you are is not what you own."

His wife sums it up: "I want to be as common as an old shoe."

It's not that the Manzos never spend money. They go to Broadway shows, sponsor a scholarship at a Paterson Catholic school and have vacationed in Costa Rica, Panama and Europe. Being thrifty, Karen said, means "I can purchase anything I want because I have a financial nest egg."

Although the Manzos describe their income as average, "The Millionaire" book points out, "Wealth is not the same as income. If you make a good income each year and spend it all, you are not getting wealthier. You are just living high."

The book gives the following yardstick for measuring assets: You should have an amount equal to your age times your annual income, divided by 10. So, for example, a 40-year-old couple with $100,000 income should have net worth of $400,000 — not including home equity.

If you have double that, you're wealthy. The Manzos say their assets put them in the wealthy zone — before the stock-market bubble burst.

"We made — and lost — a fortune in the stock market," Karen said. She ignored her husband's advice to sell tech stocks before their value collapsed in 2000.

After that, they went to Locker, the financial planner, for help. Karen also joined an investment club affiliated with the National Association of Investors, which advocates long-term investments in companies selling at the right price.

Karen's frugality was born of an Indiana childhood watching her parents struggle to raise five children on her father's salary as a draftsman. Her mother didn't hold down a job or even know how to drive. Karen wanted wider horizons and financial security.

She took 10 years to work her way through college. The fact that her education was so hard-won makes her even more determined not to squander the money it has helped her earn.

Her husband had help from his parents to pay for college, but it came at a great sacrifice to his father, a welder.

Karen is such a believer in debt-free living that she keeps a copy of "The Millionaire Next Door" at work to show to co-workers and summer interns. She recently spoke about her strategies to about 15 of Locker's clients. "She doesn't have a nickel of debt — there's not another client I have like that," Locker said.

But several of them told her they could not imagine cutting their spending so radically. Even if they could, they said, their spouses would be unlikely to go along.

The Manzos know they couldn't have reached their financial goals without working together — a point also made by "The Millionaire Next Door."

"We don't agree on everything, but these are the core beliefs that have sustained us for the 30 years we've been together," said Joe.

"There is no arguing about money," Karen said. "That argument is never in our household. One of the byproducts of a debt-free lifestyle is that you eliminate the Number One cause of marital breakdown."

That may be one reason why, in the book's words, "financially independent people are happier than those who are not financially secure."

"I'm definitely a contented person. I'm happy with my life," Karen said. "We have everything we want."


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To: raybbr
Cable TV is a good investment as long as you use it. Forego renting a large number of current videos and wait for several years, they'll all be out on cable. We all complain about cable TV prices, but I consider it a good investment because I actually watch it about eight hours a day. I consider it part of making my household a home and a welcoming place to relax.

I personally wouldn't want to wear a coat from K-Mart, but if it works for that woman, fine. But if you shop smart and use store coupons, you can get decent deals at the mall department stores. Or look into catalogue shopping.

161 posted on 01/04/2004 7:45:48 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: raybbr
Invest cautiously with 90% of what you have available. Take 10% and go for the higher risks. When you make profit on that, use the profit to stay in high risks. Put the intial funds back into medium risk. Use their money to play the higher risk areas.
162 posted on 01/04/2004 7:46:47 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: Mamzelle
I was thinking the same thing--especially the "no kids" part.

My first thought reading this was how different life without children would be. Those poor people.

We have three wonderful children, the youngest now almost an adult. Braces, camps, tuition, not to mention the clothes and the long showers have cost us a pretty penny. Kids aren't cheap, but they are worth every cent.

163 posted on 01/04/2004 7:47:09 PM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: templar
I'm grateful to my parents, who were savers. They left me some savings bonds that helped me over the years esp. in a down payment for my house. God bless them for saving a little bit and passing it on.
164 posted on 01/04/2004 7:48:03 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: templar
A life spent in perpetual fear of lawyers is a life not worth living.

It doesn't hurt to practice a bit of proactive self defense, though.

That is why I have insurance.

That is also why I have a very aggressive law firm protecting my interests........As my former corporate partners found out when they thought they could blackmail me with the threat of their lawyers but, instead, ended up losing everything that I had once been willing to buy from them when I started my own corporation.

165 posted on 01/04/2004 7:49:09 PM PST by Polybius
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To: JoeSchem
Some (I'm guessing most) women (like myself) don't have a mother's wedding dress or can't wear their mother's wedding dress.
166 posted on 01/04/2004 7:58:00 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: Mamzelle
We'd be very wealthy if we didn't have kids. Also, it means that someone has time to cut coupons, bargain shop, cook cheap meals, etc.

Kids changes the whole formula. Then if one (or all) have any kind of medical or learning problem, it really screws you financially.
167 posted on 01/04/2004 8:01:18 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: Go Gordon
Agreed. I would also add that I'd rather raise a family and enjoy the grandkids than to be a couple of frugal fogies. Heck, I'm 43 with three kids. One is married and has a 2 year old. One is living on her own. The last in the nest is 16, plays high school baseball, basketball and bowls. I smoke, drink, own a 21 foot Palm beach center console (paid for) slipped in a NJ marina, drive a 97 Suburban (paid for), will have the mortgage on the house paid off in a year and have no other debt than the mortgage. I don't quite live up to the formula (Salary $110,000 and non-equity savings/investments of approximately $300,000), but I'd much rather live my life than Mr. Frugal and Mrs. Barrenhouse. Besides, since you never know when your ticket will be puncged, you better reach for the brass ring every day you are fortunate enough to wake up.

Forget about the formula.

It's not realistic, especially if you are doing so well in your business that you are constantly bumping your income up. I've been falling short of that formula for 12 years and all it means is that my income has tripled during that time.

What is important is the concept of not being mired in debt and you fit the frugal profile recommended by the book.

You have almost paid off a house that you can obviously afford instead of crushing yourself with a mortgage that you have no hope of repaying. You drive a 6 year old car that is almost paid for instead of buying a new car every 2 years. You have no other debt as opposed to the guy that is scrapping by to pay the minimun payment on a huge credit card debt that he is carrying at 18% per year.

If an accident crippled you physically tomorrow, you would probably do O.K. The guy working as hard as he can just to pay of the interest on his debt every month, however, would be in financial dire straights.

I hate to burst your self-image as a care-free, "reach for the brass ring" kinda guy but you are just a boring, responsible frugal fogy like I am. ;-)

168 posted on 01/04/2004 8:17:43 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Captiva
Here you go (you'll need a user id & password to get onto www.dallasnews.com):

http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stories/011703dnbusnuforeclosure.9eedb.html

Trajan88

169 posted on 01/04/2004 8:25:52 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Maigrey
I think a decent used car would be a good idea. I put $5500 down on my new car. Consider if I did that with say, a 1998 or 1999 model, I'd probably only have to pay off maybe $3000 on the balance instead of $13000.
170 posted on 01/04/2004 8:35:03 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Mamzelle
"Not to mention that he's an academic and probably has posh benefits."

No he isn't. Go back and re-read.

171 posted on 01/04/2004 8:37:15 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Eaker
So this couple was making $100,000 since birth? Or they made a slowly increasing income and yet the formula is based on their most recent income? If one worked full time from after college at 22yo to 40 they would have to save $22,000 per year. To bank $22,000 at 80's and 90's tax rates they would have had to gross $35,000 per year and bank every penny with zero expenses.

Thanks for this analysis, Eaker. Took some of the shock out of it for me!

172 posted on 01/04/2004 8:39:49 PM PST by Floratina
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To: Holly_P
We're trying to do the same thing--live fairly modestly--except on only one modest income. I can't say it's always fun; there are plenty of things we do without (cable, fancy clothes, expensive vacations, electronic gadgets, etc.). But I feel sure in the long run we'll be much happier without a huge weight of debt dangling overhead, ready to crush us.

I also heartily recommend the Dave Ramsey show. You can listen to his get-out-of-debt, live-frugally advice online, at www.daveramsey.com
173 posted on 01/04/2004 9:38:09 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only... (James 1:22))
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To: gcruse
I'd forego putting anything into savings until all my credit card debt was paid off. Then I'd max out my 401K contribution and adjust my lifestyle to living with those means, plus save what I could. With the interest you are paying on your credit cards, you're throwing money away. Get own to zero owed. Then start saving and begin paying cash for everything except home mortgages. Let your money work for you, not the credit card company.

Excellent post.

174 posted on 01/04/2004 9:42:04 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only... (James 1:22))
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
May I add, pay cash for it. I had just bought a very nice used car two weeks before my job went bye bye. If I had known I never would have bought it but at least I didn't have car payments to worry about because I had paid cash.

I had a car paid off, but got married to someone who had no car. Marriage over, he took my car, and I have another 18 months of car payments. Sigh...

175 posted on 01/04/2004 9:45:24 PM PST by technochick99
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To: Zevonismymuse
I agree. Kids also mean you need a bigger house. My middle daughter and I teach at the same college and go into work together every morning. I got completely out of debt, except for $28,000 on the mortgage once, and my wife said, "Honey, guess what?" She left her job and we had the baby. Because of some health issues with our youngest, my wife never went back to working outside the home. 14 years later, I've never been close to being out of debt. But we're happy, the oldest is on her own, the youngest is home-schooled, and we make it okay.

We could be in better financial shape than we are, but if I can get the youngest through college, I'm not worrying about a darned thing after that.

176 posted on 01/04/2004 10:38:50 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Conservative til I die

By your logic, why even bother dying with $100K in the bank? Why not spend it all?

Heck die in debt up to your ears!!
Jack
177 posted on 01/04/2004 11:08:21 PM PST by btcusn
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To: B4Ranch; RightOnline
I appreciate your story--it's not that frugality won't pay off, it's that the formula in this article does not include most couples.

First of all, an essential way to be in a fine financial position in your fifties (when the tire starts to hit the pavement and retirement may be hitting the horizon!) is to marry well and avoid divorce. This was not mentioned, and IMO is very important. The people I know in bad shape managed their lives pretty well except for losing big in divorces.

I'm glad your kids are out of college--have you seen how tuition has gone up recently? When I was in college, many people worked their way through and emerged debt-free. That's not within reach these days. The hikes in tuition, are, IMO also, a huge fraud.

And the academics I know have good insurance and other nice bennies--one reason why everyone wants to be a professor.

178 posted on 01/05/2004 6:13:46 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Hildy
re: I understand this, and I know I'll be flamed..but what good is money if you don't enjoy it once in a while? I don't know....I live my life a little differently.)))

Knowing a few cheapskates myself, they get a kick out of boasting of their cheapness. I call it "poor mouthing"--

Now, watch who gets flamed...

179 posted on 01/05/2004 6:17:40 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: umgud
I didn't think anyone got alimony anymore
180 posted on 01/05/2004 6:40:34 AM PST by Taffini (I like Tony Soprano even though he is a fat boy.)
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