[oceanview]

what I do not understand is where they get these "fradulent" numbers? do they just make them up? are the illegals paying into someone else's social security number "account"? or are the numbers totally false, and when the employer submits the payment under those totally false numbers, doesn't the social security administration kick back an alert that says, "we have no such person/number?".

let's face it, we aren't going to deport 10 million people out of the US forcibly, its just not going to happen. that's not to say they should get amnesty, they should not.

what is the middle ground answer to this? if we could layer enough taxes and beauracracy on employers who would hire these people (its amazing to me that employers hire illegals "on the books" and even submit SS paperwork for them), maybe we could create a natural dis-incentive for them to get employment here.

[riri]

what is the middle ground answer to this? if we could layer enough taxes and beauracracy on employers who would hire these people (its amazing to me that employers hire illegals "on the books" and even submit SS paperwork for them), maybe we could create a natural dis-incentive for them to get employment here

I was thinking something along those lines myself.

The only reason these guys work for so little is the fact that they are here illegally. That and some of them have a chiquita with a social security number or two of her own collecting all the goodies, making whatever he brings in Walmart and slurpee money.

Making them legal takes care of the former but it does nothing to fix the other.

And we can't just legalize them all, can we? At that point can we just switch countries. They, the fifth column, the liberals, and the Free Traders can destroy whats left here and the saner of us can rebuild Mexico.