[riri]

what is the middle ground answer to this? if we could layer enough taxes and beauracracy on employers who would hire these people (its amazing to me that employers hire illegals "on the books" and even submit SS paperwork for them), maybe we could create a natural dis-incentive for them to get employment here

I was thinking something along those lines myself.

The only reason these guys work for so little is the fact that they are here illegally. That and some of them have a chiquita with a social security number or two of her own collecting all the goodies, making whatever he brings in Walmart and slurpee money.

Making them legal takes care of the former but it does nothing to fix the other.

And we can't just legalize them all, can we? At that point can we just switch countries. They, the fifth column, the liberals, and the Free Traders can destroy whats left here and the saner of us can rebuild Mexico.

[oceanview]

but the ones hired on the books have "real jobs"; that is, if they work for a hotel in a kitchen or in housekeeping, they must get minimum wage, pay the SS and Medicare payroll deduction, etc. its just that their presence in this country in large numbers depress the wages that would otherwise be paid for those jobs if the illegals were not available.

i would really like to see how many are paid on the books, as opposed to off the books.

[hedgetrimmer]

This won't work in the case of Bank of America and Wells Fargo and CitiBank. They are working directly with the State and Treasury departments to back door illegals into the mainstream. Since they don't hire the illegals, sanctions against employers won't stop them. In my mind they are a bigger threat to our sovereignty because their treason is so underhanded.