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BA will refuse to fly with armed guards
observer.guardian.co.uk ^ | Sunday January 4, 2004 | Juliette Jowit, transport editor

Posted on 01/04/2004 8:34:48 AM PST by KQQL

Controversial plans to put armed guards on British passenger planes were in disarray last night after British Airways effectively refused to fly with them aboard because it would mean there was a 'significant threat' to passengers.

An internal BA memo obtained by The Observer makes clear that executives are deep-seatedly opposed to the scheme unveiled by the Government last week as a vital new step to protect aircraft against hijackers.

The memo - sent on Friday from Mike Street, BA's operations director - said the airline 'would not operate a single flight unless we were satisfied totally that it was safe to do so'. The sky marshals will be deployed only on flights where there has been a specific warning, prompting some pilots to voice concerns about security that a guard may be unable to prevent.

He added: 'If there is security information about a particular flight that gives us cause for concern, then we will not operate that flight. That remains our policy regardless of the Government's capability to deploy armed police officers.'

A spokesman for the British Air Line Pilots Association (Balpa), which also opposes the policy, said BA's statement was expected to be followed by other airlines and would rule out the use of sky marshals, as proposed.

'We now believe sky marshals will never fly,' said the spokesman. 'If you're told there's a perceived risk, you're not going to run it. No one in their right mind would say "Don't worry, we'll put sky marshals aboard it".'

Alistair Darling, the Transport Secretary, has refused to give details of the sky marshals, but Balpa said it was told armed guards would be used only when a specific threat had been made.

Because the marshals would not be used at random as a general deterrent - as in the US and Israel - it is also thought that only 24 are planned. They are likely to be former police officers and would use low-velocity bullets so as not to pierce the fuselage.

Critics condemned the plans as unworkable, with too few sky marshals. Simon Hughes, Liberal Democrat spokesman for London, said Ministers were 'trying to sound tough'. 'I think it was not token at the beginning, they were trying to cover all bases and thought this would do that,' he added. 'Then they have been pressured into doing something which is the minimum they could do to keep the States happy. To that extent, it's token.'

Balpa said passengers had been misled. In France, for example, every flight to the US now carries between two and six sky marshals, depending on how full they are.

'The [British] public seem to have the impression there will be one on every plane: it's nothing like that,' said the Balpa spokesman.

A Department for Transport official said he could not comment on when sky marshals would be used, how many would be recruited, how they would be trained, how they would operate, or any other details. 'We don't discuss that,' he said.

Balpa has already signed a deal over sky marshals with Virgin and could do a deal with BA this week. The union will meet government officials tomorrow in a bid to strike a national agreement instead. Under a deal with Virgin, the airline has promised its pilots will be introdcued to marshals used on their planes, and told where the guard is sitting. The pilots will be in control at all times, including emergencies.

Airlines or the Government will have to take responsibility for any accident on board and for pilots' insurance if they are refused personal cover, as some US pilots have been, said Balpa.

The union wants better land-based security instead. 'The Twin Towers [terrorist attacks in New York in 2001] happened not because there were no sky marshals but because there was lax security on the ground,' added the spokesman.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; armedmarshals; ba; bang
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1 posted on 01/04/2004 8:34:49 AM PST by KQQL
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To: KQQL
The ability of the brainwashed mind to ignore the obvious is stunning. The anti-gun campain marches on, right for the cliffs.
2 posted on 01/04/2004 8:36:33 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel
English culture is ANTi-Gun.........
3 posted on 01/04/2004 8:37:43 AM PST by KQQL (^@__*^)
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4 posted on 01/04/2004 8:38:02 AM PST by Support Free Republic (If Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened!)
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To: KQQL
Controversial plans to put armed guards on British passenger planes were in disarray last night after British Airways effectively refused to fly with them aboard because it would mean there was a 'significant threat' to passengers.

And terrorists aren't? Time to ban all british planes from our airspace.

5 posted on 01/04/2004 8:38:21 AM PST by Jar Jar Binks
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To: KQQL
Yeah, reality need not apply. Scary isn't it?
6 posted on 01/04/2004 8:38:50 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: KQQL
Don't allow BA into the USA, seriously.

Cut them loose.

7 posted on 01/04/2004 8:40:29 AM PST by Monty22
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To: KQQL
If this is true, they can feel free to fly anywhere but to the US
8 posted on 01/04/2004 8:40:37 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: KQQL
This article leads me to the solution for the Air Piracy problem...

While boarding a flight's passengers, randomly hand out (notice no profiling here!) handguns to, say, 20% of them (adjust the percentage according to results, costs, etc).

Now, unless the bad guys manage to completely book for themselves the flight, they will be outnumbered fire-power wise.

Then, only those chartered flights - flights completely booked by terrorists, will be hijacked.

9 posted on 01/04/2004 8:40:47 AM PST by C210N
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To: KQQL
There is no more pathetic example of a man, no more worthless waste of masculinity, than a man who will not protect himself and those weaker than he.

Only fools, cowards, criminals and terrorists are afraid of good men with guns.
10 posted on 01/04/2004 8:41:27 AM PST by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: American in Israel
The Passengers must feel much safer knowing that Morons of this caliber are responsible for their safety.
11 posted on 01/04/2004 8:41:55 AM PST by TexasTransplant (Life is like a roll of toilet paper, it goes quicker the closer to the end you get)
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To: OldFriend
good point
12 posted on 01/04/2004 8:43:01 AM PST by KQQL (^@__*^)
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To: Search4Truth
Search4Truth
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13 posted on 01/04/2004 8:46:19 AM PST by TexasTransplant (Only fools, cowards, criminals and terrorists are afraid of good men with guns.)
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To: KQQL
MEMO to Staff:

Employees may NOT fly British Air on business trips.
The company will NOT reimburse employees who violate this directive on business trip...
The company's Group Life Insurance will NOT pay out Death Benefits to those killed while traveling on British Air.

Semper Fi
14 posted on 01/04/2004 8:52:29 AM PST by river rat
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The union wants better land-based security instead. 'The Twin Towers [terrorist attacks in New York in 2001] happened not because there were no sky marshals but because there was lax security on the ground,' added the spokesman.

Excellent point. Try to imagine if the two recent wheel-well popsicles were terrorists with explosives strapped to them controlled by a timer or altimeter. They breached ground security and no amount of sky marshalling would have been able to stop a hypothetical incident like this.

15 posted on 01/04/2004 8:55:11 AM PST by Archangelsk (CPL AMEL ASEL I)
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To: Search4Truth
This is an example of what the 'gun control agenda' people
have created - nonsensical wimps.
Maybe this is one of those times when people really do get what they deserve...

SAD

16 posted on 01/04/2004 8:56:09 AM PST by LibertyThug (Dagny Taggart's Alter Ego)
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To: KQQL
This will change as soon as one of their own planes explodes over London or dive bombs Buckingham Palace.
17 posted on 01/04/2004 8:57:53 AM PST by hershey
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To: KQQL
No problem. Just stay out of our airspace. We don't need British unions telling us what to do.
18 posted on 01/04/2004 8:58:45 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: KQQL
Let's see: BA refuses to let armed guards fly because guards are more danferous than terrorists; a terrorist will destroy the entire airplane and kill everyone, but an armed guard might be able to disable the terrorist and save everyone's life.

BA's behavior meets the definition of insanity.

19 posted on 01/04/2004 9:00:38 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Jar Jar Binks
British Airways effectively refused to fly with them aboard because it would mean there was a 'significant threat' to passengers.

Do they think that the terrorits are targeting the armed guards?

20 posted on 01/04/2004 9:01:16 AM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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