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Egypt Airliner CRASHED in Egypt - A final update on root cause analysis? Technical Fault Blamed
Various | 1/3/2004 | ME

Posted on 01/03/2004 4:50:17 AM PST by Gorons

Egypt Plane Crash Kills 148; Technical Fault Blamed

By Ruben Sprich Reuters Saturday, January 3, 2004; 7:15 AM

SHARM EL-SHEIKH, Egypt (Reuters) - An Egyptian Boeing 737 airliner carrying 135 mostly French tourists crashed into the Red Sea off the Egyptian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh on Saturday and a rescue team member said there were no survivors.

"The initial indications are that it was a technical fault, but that is only preliminary," Civil Aviation Ministry Secretary-General Hassan Abo Ghanima told Reuters. He had said earlier: "There is no sign of terrorism."

The plane, operated by the Egyptian company Flash Airlines, disappeared from radar screens minutes after take-off from Sharm el-Sheikh airport at 0244 GMT and crashed into deep water a few miles to the southeast, official sources said.

The pilots did not report any problem and the weather was normal with good visibility, official sources said. The plane was heading for Cairo to refuel, change crew and take on more passengers before flying on to Paris.

A French diplomat based in Egypt said there were 135 passengers aboard, all but one French, and 13 Egyptian and Moroccan crew members.

The crash coincided with intense U.S. concern about possible attacks involving civilian airliners, which has led to the cancellation of seven U.S.-bound flights in just over a week.

Egyptian military aircraft and ships, helped by small boats from nearby diving centers, launched a rescue operation at first light. Eyewitnesses said they were finding pieces of human bodies but no complete corpses and no survivors.

"We have half of a body here, half a body there. But we don't have any body in one piece," said a rescue worker, speaking by telephone from one of the boats.

"There's lots of personal stuff, small bags and toys. We have collected very small pieces of the plane but the body of the plane has sunk," said another rescue worker, who asked not to be named.

Yasser Imam, a spokesman for the local authorities, said: "What they have picked up so far is just fragments of bodies. The chances of finding complete bodies look slim because of the force with which the plane hit the surface of the water."

DEEP WATER

The plane crashed in the Strait of Tiran, between the Sinai peninsula and Saudi Arabia, where the water is hundreds of meters (feet) deep -- too deep for divers to reach the flight recording devices, diving school managers said.

French President Jacques Chirac telephoned his Egyptian counterpart Hosni Mubarak to obtain details of the crash and expressed his "deepest shock" at the tragedy, his office said.

Eyewitnesses in Sharm el-Sheikh said the rescue operation was concentrating on an area about half a mile off Naama Bay, the site of many large hotels.

An Egyptian armed forces C-130 transport plane and two helicopters were taking part in the search, witnesses said.

Flash Airlines is an Egyptian charter airline company based in Cairo and flying to European cities. It flew two Boeing 737-300 planes manufactured in 1993, according to its Web site.

The plane was maintained regularly in Norway and there was no sign of any mechanical fault before its last flight, the official Egyptian news agency MENA reported.

French Transport Minister Gilles de Robien went to Charles de Gaulle airport, where distraught friends and relatives of passengers on the flight were being told of the crash.

An eyewitness speaking on Egyptian television said people heard a loud noise at the time of the crash but he interpreted this as the sound of the plane hitting the water. "In the morning we were surprised by a kind of slapping noise in the sea, a very loud noise," said the unidentified witness.

Sharm el-Sheikh, a major diving resort, is considered one of the most secure places in Egypt because of its isolation and Mubarak's frequent presence. Police man checkpoints on the only paved roads into the resort and check travelers' identities.

The last major crash by an Egyptian plane took place in May 2002, when a Boeing 767 of the state airline EgyptAir crashed near Tunis airport, killing 15 people.

In October 1999, an EgyptAir Boeing 767 dived into the sea off Nantucket, Massachusetts, killing all 217 people on board.

On Christmas Day, a Beirut-bound Boeing 727 smashed into the Atlantic after take-off from Benin, killing 138 people.

© 2004 Reuters


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News
KEYWORDS: 737; airflash; airliner; airsec; crash; egypt; egyptair; flash604; flashair; flight8604; france; fsh604; orangealert4; planecrash; redsea; sharmelsheik; sharmelsheikh; terrorism
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To: SkyPilot
They probably got the telepathic investigators from AA587 on the case. Next we'll be hearing it was an "old engine," no... "wind shear," no... "bird strike," no... How about cheese? A moose, maybe? Whatever, other than terrorism these "official sources" can get into print.
81 posted on 01/03/2004 6:09:31 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: TaxRelief
No significant number of the enemies of Al-Qaida (or is France on their doo-doo list, now?) on board. Google up "Death to France" in Google News. Big protests against France going on RIGHT NOW.
82 posted on 01/03/2004 6:10:47 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
See post 77. The French departed Egypt in a Flash, yet drowned in the Red Sea. :-O
83 posted on 01/03/2004 6:12:16 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: thesummerwind
It's terrorism as sure as Vince did not die in the park.

You're weird.

It's likely the rudder problem, which has brought down four or five other 737s, all without warning!

Were you a Michael Rivero follower?

84 posted on 01/03/2004 6:13:43 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: greydog
A buddy of mine on the San Deigo FD told me that when the SouthWest 727 crashed in 79, the largest body part he saw was a 1/4 torso.

You must be speaking of PSA. Southwest has never had a fatal accident, nor has it ever had have any 727s in its fleet.

85 posted on 01/03/2004 6:15:07 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: _Jim
Is this your tactic in debate - smearing someone?

What's your deal, lumpy? YOU were the one to "smear". Get a grip. You were the one who lamely and childishly chided that I and other freepers were "jumping to confusion". Remember?

Content on this subject - here.........I have mentioned the same news coverage pattern after Flight 587 and other 'questionable' events as this. That is content. I have noticed a possible pattern, and if you don't want to hear about it, then sign off!

86 posted on 01/03/2004 6:17:56 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: GeronL
correct
87 posted on 01/03/2004 6:18:29 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: thesummerwind
Every time people like you introduce the word, "conspiracy" to a discussion, you do so to bring illegitamacy to others' concerns.

"Concerns"? You've been labeling this accident "terrorism" for two hours!

YOU'RE the one pimping conspiracy here, with absolutely no evidence, other than FOXNEWS decision not to run any stories about it, though its' all over the internet and even C-SPAN has read two stories about it.

99% of all conspiracy theories are illegitimate, as this one will also turn out to be.

88 posted on 01/03/2004 6:19:28 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: eno_; _Jim
ALL products of an over-active imagination fueled by a never-ending litany of conspiracy theories offered up on the slimmest of 'evidence' and un-linked factors ...

Two facts already discredit the official explanation: One, "not terrorism" was the official line from the moment the crash occurred. Second, false reports of "heavy fog" (which the plane would have been well above 7 miles out even if there was any) were planted in the media, and immediately discovered to contradict local weather reports.

France recently and famously banned headscarves in schools. There are now large protests against this policy in several cities in Moslem countries. And Tony Blair is or recently was vacationing near the crash site. ---- bingo
89 posted on 01/03/2004 6:20:37 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: TaxRelief
No eye-witness reports of an explosion or surface-to-air missile. No sounds of an explosion.

Question is Could you hear an explosion that far off, and if so, how big would it have to be to hear it.

maybe it was a small explosion. Something near the cockpit, just big enough to take out communication and some of those button and switches in the cockpit that would cause complete control of airplane.

90 posted on 01/03/2004 6:21:20 AM PST by ReformedBeckite
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To: _Jim
even *they* can't completely rule out terrorism,

---then why did they?

91 posted on 01/03/2004 6:21:44 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: thesummerwind
Welcome to speculation central!
92 posted on 01/03/2004 6:23:21 AM PST by verity
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To: greydog
A buddy of mine on the San Deigo FD told me that when the SouthWest 727 crashed in 79, the largest body part he saw was a 1/4 torso.

PSA Fight 182 --- September 25, 1978.

I was there. Your buddy is correct about the carnage, and the body parts were burnt.

93 posted on 01/03/2004 6:23:36 AM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: Freeper
Imagine how surprised they will be when they realize that a meter is more than a YARD long and not a "feet (foot)" as reported.

LOL!

94 posted on 01/03/2004 6:23:55 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: thesummerwind
I have mentioned the same news coverage pattern after Flight 587 and other 'questionable' events as this.

Now there's a news coverage pattern conspiracy theory?

You're new here, so be careful with stuff like this.

Conspiracy theorists don't last long as it makes the place look like kookville.

95 posted on 01/03/2004 6:24:45 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
Currently there is a terrorist manhunt under way, looking for infiltrators into flight crews.

Baggage security and ramp security for this flight were also probably substandard.

The location of the crash is significant: Tony Blair is currently in the mideast, and definitely was in Sharm el Sheikh on vacation recently.

The passengers were all from France, which recently banned headscarves in schools, and is the object of huge protests in Moslem cities.

But hey, maybe it was the phantom "heavy fog."
97 posted on 01/03/2004 6:28:53 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: _Jim; Quilla
and sound analysis of that evidence by a competent, assembled board of seasoned aeronautical experts.

Yeh, like the crowd they got together to deal with Flight 800? Really, let's get Kallstrom and those guys.

98 posted on 01/03/2004 6:29:26 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: sinkspur
It's you and _Jim stinking up the place. This crash is highly suspicious, and now we have our NTSB discrediting themsleves with "angle of the sun could have been a factor" - yeah, like maybe it was reflecting off that fog bank?
99 posted on 01/03/2004 6:31:14 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: seamole
The plane, which was headed to Cairo for a crew change before continuing to Paris, made no distress call, the officials said.... Someone with more knowledge than I might be able to say whether the term "distress call" includes a communication to the airport indicating a need for emergency landing, or whether it only applies to "Maydays".

Good question! 'No distress call' is not a good sign for those who believe there was no terrorism. That terrorist stuff can happen real fast.

100 posted on 01/03/2004 6:32:14 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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