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Pope wants new international order to keep peace
Reuters | January 1, 2004 | Claire Soares

Posted on 01/01/2004 5:55:35 AM PST by HAL9000

VATICAN CITY, Jan 1 (Reuters) - The world needs a "new international order" to solve its conflicts and ensure peace, Pope John Paul said in his New Year's Day address on Thursday.

The ghosts of 2003 -- when the United States invaded Iraq without United Nations approval -- dominated the pope's first speech of 2004.

"More than ever we need a new international order which draws on the experience and results of the United Nations," the 83-year-old pontiff said at a mass in St Peter's Basilica.

"An order which is capable of finding adequate solutions to today's problems, based on the dignity of human beings, on integrating all society, on solidarity between rich and poor countries, on the sharing of resources and the extraordinary results of scientific and technological progress," he added.

Speaking at Christendom's largest church, the pope urged people not to lose hope of finding peace in the Holy Land, which the Vatican feels is vital to winning the war on terror.

"The land in which Jesus was born sadly continues to live in a dramatic condition. And in other parts of the world sparks of violence and conflict have not been extinguished either. But we need to persevere and not bow to the temptation of losing hope."

Turning to Africa, the pope paid tribute to his Burundi ambassador, Michael Courtney, killed on Monday in an ambush the army has blamed on rebels who have refused to join a peace process to end a 10-year conflict.

"(He) was tragically killed...while he was going about his mission of promoting dialogue and reconciliation. We pray for him and hope his example and sacrifice will bear the fruits of peace in Burundi and the world," the pope said.

The leader of the world's one billion Catholics, who suffers from Parkinson's disease that makes it difficult for him to talk, seemed alert and read all of his homily in a clear voice.

But it is unclear what 2004 holds for him. For the first time since his election in 1978, the pope enters the new year with no firm plans for travel, although there have been some invitations.

He was particularly weak on his last foreign trip, a visit to Slovakia in September, when aides had to read most of his addresses for him.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: johnpaulii; newnwo; pope; un; unitednations
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To: sinkspur
I remember Gorbachev saying that. I also think he said that the Soviet Union needed to try another tactic, one of openness, etc to accomplish it's same goals. Aren't they for the most part still an enemy? Haven't they continued to provide weaponry and WMD's to hostile (to US) countries?

My point is it hasn't stopped. It won't stop until men listen to peace. The Holy Father is trying to appeal to all. Until we all listen it will continue.

Violent men only understand violence, that's true. And violence begits (did I spell that right?) more violence.

Blessed are the peacemakers.

561 posted on 01/01/2004 9:34:50 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch (Auto-buffet!... what BlackElk said! Let the Inquisition begin!)
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To: BlackElk
45 million slaughtered innocents via SCOTUS in our country alone; legalized lavender canoodling, courtesy of SCOTUS, homosexual child molesters among the Catholic clergy, public officials who want to call themselves "Catholic" while cheerleading and protecting infanticide and lavender "marriage" or civil unions or whatever, and you think it wise to reject the reinstitution of the Inquisition wherever possible????

You plead your case so well, good sir.

Where may I sign up?

562 posted on 01/01/2004 9:35:12 PM PST by Polycarp IV (http://www.cathfam.org/)
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To: Cap'n Crunch
It won't stop until men listen to peace. The Holy Father is trying to appeal to all. Until we all listen it will continue.

Cap'n, we aren't the problem. Yet, the Holy Father tries to drag the "rich-vs-poor" argument into the equation, as if the United States is responsible for the hostility in the very rich Arab oil states.

Yes. Blessed are the peacemakers. But it does no good for the Pope to preach peace to nations who want it as much or more than he does.

563 posted on 01/01/2004 9:41:11 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
Pershing missles in Germany, "Star Wars", and a continued military buildup is what brought down the Soviet Union. Gorbachev said as much, that he simply couldn't match US defense spending.

JPII's support of Solidarity in Poland which spread freedom across the eastern block played just as much a role, if not more.

Why are you obsessed with undermining JPII's efforts and successes --and in this thread-- motives?

564 posted on 01/01/2004 9:41:50 PM PST by Polycarp IV (http://www.cathfam.org/)
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To: Cap'n Crunch; sinkspur
Better the Neverending story than the disingenuous attempt by minor clergy of the AmChurch substitute for the RCC to stir up more hatred against the pope for reasons having nothing to do with the foreign policy used as an excuse.
565 posted on 01/01/2004 9:46:19 PM PST by BlackElk (The auto-da-fe is God's chosen way to purge sin from the land.!)
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To: sinkspur
Cap'n, we aren't the problem. Yet, the Holy Father tries to drag the "rich-vs-poor" argument into the equation, as if the United States is responsible for the hostility in the very rich Arab oil states.

What collossal hypocrisy!

Thank heavens we're not like those third world reprobates who think they have a right to our standard of living! Gasp! They should be happy we let them work in the mines that provide the raw materials of our wealth and the oil rigs that fire the engines of our capitalistic machine and the factories that produce our cheap Wally World lifestyles! Let them eat cake (and chemical contraceptives!)

566 posted on 01/01/2004 9:48:29 PM PST by Polycarp IV (http://www.cathfam.org/)
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To: CAtholic Family Association
Why are you obsessed with undermining JPII's efforts and successes --and in this thread-- motives?

Well, I wouldn't agree that Solidarity was as powerful as the Pershing missles, but that's certainly debatable.

Brian, I'm not undermining JPII's efforts. He is doing it himself. Calling for another UN, with more emphasis on the "rich-vs-poor" issue is a clear slap at the rich Western nations.

He also seems to feel that there may be some reason we ought to listen to what motivates the terrorists. These terrorists, most prominently, are funded by very wealthy nations.

What possible "motivations" he has in mind simply confound me.

I don't think John Paul II wants to come to terms with what is at work here: Muslim extremists, driven to destroy a culture that they abhor.

That culture includes the Western culture that he is very much a part of.

567 posted on 01/01/2004 9:49:54 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
What possible "motivations" he has in mind simply confound me.

How about the purest gospel motives, Sink?

Ascribing to him any other alterior motives is sinful.

Just because you cannot grasp his motives does not make his motives wrong or nefarious.

568 posted on 01/01/2004 9:52:30 PM PST by Polycarp IV (http://www.cathfam.org/)
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To: sinkspur
with more emphasis on the "rich-vs-poor" issue is a clear slap at the rich Western nations.

And the problem with a clear slap as selfish rich western nations is...what is it again?

569 posted on 01/01/2004 9:53:52 PM PST by Polycarp IV (http://www.cathfam.org/)
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To: CAtholic Family Association
Thank heavens we're not like those third world reprobates who think they have a right to our standard of living! Gasp! They should be happy we let them work in the mines that provide the raw materials of our wealth and the oil rigs that fire the engines of our capitalistic machine and the factories that produce our cheap Wally World lifestyles! Let them eat cake (and chemical contraceptives!)

Third world? Arab countries are sitting on pools of oil valued at trillions of dollars! It's not our fault that Muslim fundamentalism funnels the dollars into the pockets of the corrupt rulers of those countries (i.e., the Bandars in Saudi Arabia and the Mullahs in Iran).

Here's a clue, Brian: when the Arab world adopts democracy, maybe their people WILL have our standard of living.

Ever hear the Pope calling for democracy in these backward, Muslim countries?

570 posted on 01/01/2004 9:57:37 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: CAtholic Family Association
God bless you and yours. PLEASE stick around to fight the good fight as you always have. Streetfighting elks need scholarly backup and your presence reminds me to whack Adamec regularly.
571 posted on 01/01/2004 9:58:42 PM PST by BlackElk (The auto-da-fe is God's chosen way to purge sin from the land.!)
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To: sinkspur; BlackElk
I don't think John Paul II wants to come to terms with what is at work here: Muslim extremists, driven to destroy a culture that they abhor.

I don't think you and America want to come to terms with what the bottom line is here: America no longer possesses a moral high ground from which to campaign this global war on terror. Did it ever occur to you that JPII sees and knows far more than you or I will ever hope?

He is not a drooling old doddard, Sink. He is a brilliant man, a mystic, the Pope of the Third Secret.

He knows what is coming and he is sincerely trying to mitigate the sufferings standing at our very door step.

You are wrong to ascribe to him any other motive whatsoever.

572 posted on 01/01/2004 9:58:47 PM PST by Polycarp IV (http://www.cathfam.org/)
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To: CAtholic Family Association
And the problem with a clear slap as selfish rich western nations is...what is it again?

It's stupid, as the United States is not a selfish Western nation, as is evidenced by the aid we're pouring into the earthquake region in Iran, a country whose rulers despise us.

573 posted on 01/01/2004 10:00:49 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur; BlackElk
when the Arab world adopts democracy, maybe their people WILL

...be no different than us, i.e., a pragmatically atheistic materialistic capitalistic culture of death?

What good is "unfettered capitalism and democracy" if they destroy the eternal soul even more effectively than communism did?

Wanna know what happens to Christianity when it dwells too long in oppulence, license disguised as "freedom", and wealth?

Bishop Robinsons and Father Geoghans and 85% of Catholic laity committing the mortal sins of contraception, sterilization and abortion.

574 posted on 01/01/2004 10:05:34 PM PST by Polycarp IV (http://www.cathfam.org/)
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To: onyx
Thanks for your generous post. You and I have not always agreed (on matters Californian) but it is a pleasure when we may do so. I think you are OK and I hope that you don't think I am so bad either. God bless you and yours.
575 posted on 01/01/2004 10:05:52 PM PST by BlackElk (The auto-da-fe is God's chosen way to purge sin from the land.!)
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To: CAtholic Family Association
Did it ever occur to you that JPII sees and knows far more than you or I will ever hope?

No.

He knows what is coming and he is sincerely trying to mitigate the sufferings standing at our very door step.

Then tell him to preach to the Muslims, a religion he obviously feels some affinity for, since he never calls them to account. It is from this religion that the terrorists draw their justification, and, bastardized though it is, the Pope would do much more for mankind by condemning this abomination.

You are wrong to ascribe to him any other motive whatsoever.

Perhaps. But, so far, he has given no encouragement to the people of Iraq as they struggle to throw off the yoke of Saddam Hussein.

576 posted on 01/01/2004 10:07:28 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: HAL9000
"More than ever we need a new international order which draws on the experience and results of the United Nations,"

If people really do learn from this near-total flop, it would be a boon to the world.

577 posted on 01/01/2004 10:07:41 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: CAtholic Family Association
Other than bemoaning that some nations have a higher per capita income than others, what should the rich nations be doing, as a policy matter, to help the low per capita income nations increase their per capita income numbers? I assume it isn't birth control programs, so what is it? Free food, that destroys the market incentives for local farmers? Building up local infrastructure, that is destroyed by lawless environments (the showcase hospital in the Congo's capital was stripped down to its bones, including the copper plumbing). What, other than free trade, about which I have not heard much from the Pope as a key issue?

Just complaining without a clear program that is empiracally likely to do some long term good, is just the null set. Actually, it is worse, it is a negative, and immoral. It is immoral because it allows one to feel that they care, without actually doing anything in reality other than being a useful idiot. That is a recipe for continued entropy, and I denounce it.

That is how I see it, and call it.

578 posted on 01/01/2004 10:07:54 PM PST by Torie
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To: sinkspur
as the United States is not a selfish Western nation, as is evidenced by the aid we're pouring into the earthquake region in Iran, a country whose rulers despise us.

Yes, we can be and are "good" in some ways even now, but when does the murder of the innocents and exportation of the culture of death outweigh the good we do?

You say it does not.

I say it did long ago.

579 posted on 01/01/2004 10:08:09 PM PST by Polycarp IV (http://www.cathfam.org/)
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To: sinkspur
Did it ever occur to you that JPII sees and knows far more than you or I will ever hope?

No.

Then you are a more blind and prideful fool than I ever imagined.

580 posted on 01/01/2004 10:10:20 PM PST by Polycarp IV (http://www.cathfam.org/)
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