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To: Bikers4Bush
1) What is wrong with Bush's plan for amnesty?" Illegal is illegal and as the commander in chief he should be defending our borders not whoring them out.

If your argument is legality -- then it seems amnesty solves it by satisfying the legal requirement. Anything else?

16 posted on 12/30/2003 11:13:21 AM PST by Naspino (Exodus 22: 28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.)
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To: Naspino
There will be no "amnesty" they are attempting to set up some guest worker BS that will then lead to the illegals getting citizenship.

My arguement is rewarding criminal invaders with things that they do not deserve as in A.) any type of legal status and B.) eventual citizenship.
22 posted on 12/30/2003 11:18:27 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Bush and Co. are quickly convincing me that the Constitution Party is our only hope.)
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To: Naspino
They already broke the law, making them criminals. They should NOT be rewarded, just deported.
35 posted on 12/30/2003 11:25:43 AM PST by Politicalmom
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To: Naspino
If your argument is legality -- then it seems amnesty solves it by satisfying the legal requirement.

YEAH! That's it! Lets just ignore the immigration laws we're not enforcing alltogether! Its like a warden saying to a prisoner who was convicted of a felony "There are too many prisoners, so we're going to let you go and all the prisoners currently in prison...and set you all free so that we'll have the space for all the future convicts."

Anything else?

*rolls eyes*

39 posted on 12/30/2003 11:28:32 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: Naspino
"If your argument is legality -- then it seems amnesty solves it by satisfying the legal requirement."

With that line of reasoning we should just open the prisons and solve a lot of the prison overcrowding problem by legalizing whatever crime they've commited.

41 posted on 12/30/2003 11:29:51 AM PST by sweetliberty (Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: Naspino
"If your argument is legality -- then it seems amnesty solves it by satisfying the legal requirement."

With that line of reasoning we should just open the prisons and solve a lot of the prison overcrowding problem by legalizing whatever crime they've committed.

43 posted on 12/30/2003 11:30:20 AM PST by sweetliberty (Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: Naspino
"If your argument is legality -- then it seems amnesty solves it by satisfying the legal requirement. Anything else? "

Giving amnesty (no matter how Bush packages it)gives Mexicans access to what their plan really is.. to reclaim Azlan- A Zogby International poll of May 2002 revealed the wide disparity between Mexican and American attitudes toward their common border. A majority of Mexicans polled (58%) agreed with the statement that “The territory of the United States’ Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico,” while only 28% disagreed and 14% were unsure.. they believe that the SW should be taken back and become a part of Mexico.

Bush is contrevening the will and the security of the US in favor of the interests of a foreign power.

Jobs are being lost and wages will and are now being depressed resulting in a decline in the nation's standard of living.

The law re "family reunification" .. if we have (conservatively) 10 million that are amnestied, add another 20 million ( at the very least) to that number.

47 posted on 12/30/2003 11:32:32 AM PST by Zipporah (Write in Tancredo 2004 ! Both in the primary and general election!)
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To: Naspino
WHAT about the complete takeover of cities by illegals, do we just give up whole cities and hope that it stops.
55 posted on 12/30/2003 11:36:21 AM PST by douglas1 (i)
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To: Naspino
The fact is that they broke the law, they need to be deported. I am hispanic and I am against the amnesty. I am for locking down the borders, get rid of the illegals and then let people legally enter country.

Do you want to know what the definition of is is also?
109 posted on 12/30/2003 11:56:50 AM PST by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: Naspino
If your argument is legality -- then it seems amnesty solves it by satisfying the legal requirement. Anything else?

Vehicle theft is illegal, yet it happens all the time. It is a serious legal problem that must be "satisfied". Do you support amnesty for car thieves in order to "satisfy" that legal problem? Amnesty for bank robbers? Child molesters? Whatever? Solve crime by making criminal acts legal - good idea. Now, tell me how that will enhance national security, the environment in our border areas, crime in our border cities, unemployment, and depressed wages.

113 posted on 12/30/2003 11:58:34 AM PST by Spiff (Have you committed a random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: Naspino
If your argument is legality -- then it seems amnesty solves it by satisfying the legal requirement. Anything else?

YOu are supporting government anarchy through PC concocted alibis.

Repeat after me:

I will support and encourage those who work legaly and report to me honestly their good works. I will not encourage and be friends with those who cheat, who deal with drugs or human trade or shady work trade deals.

Sadly this world is upside down:

1. The tax payer must feel bad because he does not like an amnesty that disregards representation of the taxpayers... while we reward with guiltlessness people who have no respect for our laws, who have none of us as reference as Americans, but only themselves and their needs.
2. we do not help people who are here to improve themselves so that they can do something productive, we help people who cheat or who think it is more fun to get together to do drugs and illegal trades instead of following the law and helping people be successful.
3. We are calling a problem of legality what is illegal and violates our contracts with the government.
4. We are rewarding people who prevent others from working and paying taxes, while we are punishing the doers and those honoring their debts to government.
5. We are suppporting export taxes as opposed to import taxes since we are not charging migrants for the import of their services... thus we are destroying our economy at the benefit of foreign nations.
6. We generaly are callous because we cannot face the need for fairness. We are cowards.

598 posted on 12/31/2003 12:12:28 AM PST by JudgemAll
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