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Safety not worth the price
Mesa Legend (Mesa Community College) ^
| 12/24/03
| Ryan Baily
Posted on 12/29/2003 9:18:12 AM PST by NorCoGOP
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To: NorCoGOP
almost always in reaction to an isolated incident which we are afraid to treat as such.....I'll concede the country is rife with over-reaction, and resultant legislation to prevent every boo-boo, but 9-1-1 is NOT an isolated incident. OBL and friends have been after us since the '93 WTC bombing, and the Cole, and maybe OK City, and we KNOW he wants to do more. You are a fool, sir, if you think it's time to drop our guard.
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posted on
12/29/2003 11:18:31 AM PST
by
chiller
(could be wrong, but doubt it)
To: Nonstatist
Jeez, NO ONE (at least not on this board) is advocating anarchy or lawlessness.
In EVERY failed society lawlessness and anarchy icreased in spite of more laws with harsher sentences and more police.
Look at the Soviet Union or East Germany, practically every other person was a snitch. Would you want to live that way? You need to decide because we are headed that way.
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posted on
12/29/2003 11:19:23 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: Blood of Tyrants
In EVERY failed society lawlessness and anarchy icreased in spite of more laws with harsher sentences and more police. Look at the Soviet Union or East Germany,What nonsense, the societies of tyrannies do not suffer thru anarchy (ie Saddm's Iraq, E. Germany, etc) until the end game.. In the Soviet Union the gov't ran out of cash and lost its nerve and its moral authority.
Oh, and we're not talking about an authoitorian State here either. Geesh, take a sedative!
To: Triple Word Score
Paypal does that--freezes customer funds on spurious grounds so they can use them--and that's why we do not use Paypal. They also demand electronic access to customers' bank accounts, which is why I don't use PayPal.
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posted on
12/29/2003 11:37:20 AM PST
by
jimt
To: chiller
if you think it's time to drop our guard.I don't know of anyone who thinks we should drop our guard. It is a matter of what that guard should be that is a matter of disagreement.
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posted on
12/29/2003 12:01:45 PM PST
by
Protagoras
(When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
To: Nonstatist
In the Soviet Union the gov't ran out of cash and lost its nerve and its moral authority. The Soviet Union had moral authority?
Taken one step further, what country's government has moral authority?
Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.
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posted on
12/29/2003 12:05:24 PM PST
by
Protagoras
(When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
To: Protagoras
To: Triple Word Score
Interesting. I have requested and received an almanac for Christmas every year for decades and have yet to remember a single instance where I took it for a ride.
You really need to chill.
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posted on
12/29/2003 1:54:43 PM PST
by
Publius6961
(40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
To: sinkspur
If all alcohol is removed from planes, and all flyers are given a breathalyzer before boarding, I'll agree with you. Drunks and guns don't mix.
I think it's illegal in most places to drink while carrying a gun anyway -- unless you're a cop. And it shouldn't be difficult to enforce on a plane. The stewards will know who's carrying.
"What we can say with some confidence is that allowing more people to carry guns does not cause an increase in crime. In Florida, where 315,000 permits have been issued, there are only five known instances of violent gun crime by a person with a permit. This makes a permit-holding Floridian the cream of the crop of law-abiding citizens, 840 times less likely to commit a violent firearm crime than a randomly selected Floridian without a permit." ("More Permits Mean Less Crime..." Los Angeles Times, Feb. 19, 1996, Monday, p. B-5)
To: sinkspur
Privacy for the average law-abiding citizen has been absolutely unaffected by post-9/11 legislation.
There are thousands of innocent Americans who have somehow been placed on terrorist watch lists and can no longer fly. They cannot even get an answer when they inquire about it. If your rights are taken away without legislation being passed, isn't that even worse?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=%22david+nelson%22+terrorist&spell=1
To: Dan Evans
I carry and I drink, but I'm not comfortable in an enclosed space with a firearm-alcohol mix. I'd just as soon not risk it and keep booze completely off planes if people are carrying.
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posted on
12/29/2003 2:54:54 PM PST
by
sinkspur
(Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
To: Triple Word Score
I would say that being hauled away in handcuffs for making a harmless joke is a violation of freedom.
Or having harmless jewlry or nail clippers confiscated, body searches, women (and men) being groped are all violations of liberty.
The constitution says no unreasonable searches. To me that means you can't be searched unless they have good reason to suspect you.
Airport security is gradually turning people into obedient, servile sheep who will be far less likely to defend themselves when the next attack comes.
To: Dan Evans
I think it's illegal in most places to drink while carrying a gun anyway -- unless you're a cop.Priceless
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posted on
12/29/2003 3:10:23 PM PST
by
orlop9
To: Consort
Then you won't mind if I club you on the head and steal your wallet?
So long as you don't mind a .45 round in the forehead.
After he clubs you on the head and steals your wallet, he'll then steal your .45, your SUV, and your pet dog, as well.
No he won't, because I'll be watching the whole thing and I'm a pretty good shot myself.
To: thoughtomator
Who is pathological? The person who has survived enemy attacks who wants to fight back, or the person who has his head stuck in the sand, refusing to believe the threat is real?
Yes, the threat is real. We are discussing how to deal with the threat. If on Sept 11, the pilots and passengers had been allowed to carry arms, the attacks would not have succeeded or even been attempted.
To: Dan Evans
I'm 100% on board with that. It's the people who think that the war is a phantom menace designed to scare us into embracing socialism that piss me off. This is real, and it's for keeps, and the enemy has every intention of winning. Our only hope lies in ending the threat before they acquire the capability to do what they intend.
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posted on
12/29/2003 3:29:33 PM PST
by
thoughtomator
("I will do whatever the Americans want because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid"-Qadafi)
To: browardchad
You can also be subjected to the sight of your wife being "wand raped". Or being strip-searched. And if you complain they can take you away.
I think air travel security should be left to the airlines and the passengers the government should butt out.
If you see some people that look suspicious you should complain about it and the airlines should search them or not allow them to fly.
To: NorCoGOP
No amount of security is worth my freedoms Hey, read my tagline:
It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security."
What makes America different from all other countries is our history of FREEDOM and not a history of keeping everybody safe and secure in a police state. Freedom is risky. I love it.
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posted on
12/29/2003 3:35:22 PM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: sinkspur
I carry and I drink, but I'm not comfortable in an enclosed space with a firearm-alcohol mix. I'd just as soon not risk it and keep booze completely off planes if people are carrying.
We have armed air marshals on planes now when liquor is served. Doesn't that make you uncomfortable?
To: Triple Word Score
Privacy for the average law-abiding citizen has been absolutely unaffected by post-9/11 legislation. Sounds like someone who has not had their underwear searched at an airport or been made to drink their own breast milk by federal airport security screeners.
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posted on
12/29/2003 3:40:16 PM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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