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Safety not worth the price
Mesa Legend (Mesa Community College) ^
| 12/24/03
| Ryan Baily
Posted on 12/29/2003 9:18:12 AM PST by NorCoGOP
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To: Hank Kerchief
After having personally survived Islamist attacks on US territory twice, I think the pathology that needs a cure is that of those who are ignoring the reality of the war we are in.
Having been inside the WTC in 1993 when it was bombed and not far away when it was destroyed, I have little sympathy for people who are more concerned about whether they have to take their socks off than whether I get killed in the next attack.
Who is pathological? The person who has survived enemy attacks who wants to fight back, or the person who has his head stuck in the sand, refusing to believe the threat is real?
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posted on
12/29/2003 10:29:35 AM PST
by
thoughtomator
("I will do whatever the Americans want because I saw what happened in Iraq, and I was afraid"-Qadafi)
To: Triple Word Score
Privacy is unaffected?
Two weeks ago I transferred twenty five thousand dollars from one local bank to another. Instead of the old b.s. five day wait and an intrusive little form, my account is frozen til jan 5th.
I might be a terrorist laundering money.
Doesn't matter that the money was earned and taxes paid a decade ago or that I've had both accounts for fifteen years.
It's not my money until some pinhead beauracrat says it's ok.
To: FreeInWV
How do you know how many times its been used?Has you apartment been searched while you were off at the track? How would you know? Judges have been issuing warrants for years and years, how do you know it hasnt happened to you? Whats out there to stop them? Arent you living in deadly fear of "home invasion"?
But listen , don't fret so much. I'll send Ahmed over to give you a life lesson in "guilt by association". You'll love it!
To: Nonstatist
Please tell me if that information is available to you or I and if so, how I can find out that it has never been used. Otherwise it must be concluded that the statement was incorrect. And that it is indeed unknown and unavailable.
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posted on
12/29/2003 10:32:40 AM PST
by
Protagoras
(When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
To: Hank Kerchief
When someone has to show their bare feet in public before being allowed to board an airplane, their privacy has been invaded (to say nothing of having their insides viewed by strangers.)Oh the horror! Bared feet in public! The injustice! The humiliation!
Why, I do so agree -- better a Richard Reid shoe bomber than bare feet in public! I'd so much rather be blown to bloody bits than suffer the indignity of exposing my feet!
And "seeing my insides"! -- I'm so overwhelmed at the thought of my duodenal ulcer being viewed by a stranger I can't even go there...
BTW, I know quite a few people who must fly on a regular basis, and none exhibit symptoms of "pathological fear," but they do make sure they're wearing clean socks, and I hear the pedicure business is booming. Maybe that's a symptom?
To: Nonstatist
Get real. He was talking about governmental "security" in exchange for freedom.
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posted on
12/29/2003 10:36:25 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
You should have done it in three equal transactions of less than $10,000.
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posted on
12/29/2003 10:37:59 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: Dan Evans
There was a time when it was legal to carry a gun on a plane. We didn't have hijackings then and if we allowed it again it will stop any more hijackings. The proper response to the 9-11 hijackings would have been to arm the pilots immediately ... by Executive Order issued on 9/12/01. We could have saved $billions and saved our remaining freedoms, too.
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posted on
12/29/2003 10:40:18 AM PST
by
bimbo
To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Bad implementation of a good and necessary law.
It ought to take a few minutes to check on that money, not (what, weeks?)
Most of this time some paperwork is sitting on someone's desk--we all know that. There is no security reason to delay your transaction. Ergo, there is someone making money by holding on to your money.
Paypal does that--freezes customer funds on spurious grounds so they can use them--and that's why we do not use Paypal.
To: bimbo
The problem, it seems to me, is that any concern about any legislation signed by the President is taken by some as an attack on the President. And we can't have that in any way, shape or form, now can we?
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posted on
12/29/2003 10:47:35 AM PST
by
Protagoras
(When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
To: NorCoGOP
... the USA Patriot Act, 342 pages of knee-jerk legislation which has been adequately covered by this publication. -Ryan BailyPosting this essay is a a gyp because the antidote to hysteria about the Patriot Acts is to force the antis to go into specifics. How can we debate the author's points when they are not present?
To: Triple Word Score
Privacy for the average law-abiding citizen has been absolutely unaffected by post-9/11 legislation. And when the Patriot-Act-patriots decide to scour someone's medical records, tap his phone, and take his property, will that make him above average or below average?
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posted on
12/29/2003 10:51:40 AM PST
by
bimbo
To: Blood of Tyrants
He was talking about governmental "security" in exchange for freedomSo was I. The government is the police which is local law enforcement. I can club you and take your wallet more readily if I know the police wont come looking for me.
Look, this guy likes metal detectors but he doesent like to take his shoes off. Thats fine, but its not the big hysteria civil rights connundrum he makes it out to be. Oh, and I notice the obligatory complaint about "racial profiling". Yea, lets pretend humans cant be discerning and rational and un"prejudiced" when it comes to security. Whatever.
To: Hank Kerchief
THIS might help you, we would let the airlines that want no intrusions from the goverment be allowed to operate ,that way people are given a choice, I would think there would be no lines no hassles, the only thing is you would probably see a lot of lawsuits, I know what line I would be in, a few inconviences are worth having .
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posted on
12/29/2003 10:52:39 AM PST
by
douglas1
(i)
To: Blood of Tyrants
That's "Structuring", now a felony.
To: Nonstatist
Have you got something to hide? Roy hasn't got your info yet.
It seems to me that the 911 terrorists have partially succeeded. They scared the public for awhile, but the public has by and large gotten over it. Our foreign intelligence agencies seem to have gotten on the ball. It is only domestic federal law enforcement that seems to be running around like chicken little.
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posted on
12/29/2003 10:53:48 AM PST
by
FreeInWV
(Do you know where your cows have been?)
To: Nonstatist
Do you REALLY believe that a mugger is going to try to rob you with a policeman standing next to you? The police don't prevent crime, they only take crime reports and arrest the criminal if they catch him, more by accident rather than by design.
In many large cities, the police don't even bother to investigate property crimes
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posted on
12/29/2003 10:56:54 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: Nonstatist
I notice the obligatory complaint about "racial profiling". Yea, lets pretend humans cant be discerning and rational and un"prejudiced" when it comes to security.Exactly. The Constitution, both in original intent and in current practice, demands protections that at times limit the efficiency of law enforcement. That's fine. Profiling is one such law enforcement method. But the Constitution does not require the political correctness of banning a person's apparent race from the profile categories.
To: Blood of Tyrants
police don't even bother to investigate property crimesTrue, but if you remove law enforcement, anarchy and lawlessness will increase. Can you possibly argue with that? Take a look at Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire. You may be armed, but criminals become more brazen when they know the only danger is in the hit and run itself.
This whole argument is about degree. Selective and disproportionate hysteria is the author's main ware, IMO.
To: Walkin Man
Walkin Man wrote:
Heres what I propose to remedy the situation. Create a new airline, call it Freedom Air.
No metal detectors, no screeners, no hassles whatsoever. Guns, explosive devices, knives, scissors, box cutters, shoe bombs, zip guns, etc... all welcome.
Then all the whiners can fly themselves and their families on it after signing a legally binding document that absolves the airline and the US government from all liability in case of a terrorist incident.
I'd certainly fly on such an airline.
I also think that such an airline would operate without much risk of hijackings or other violence in the air.
The big problem is that it is absolutely illegal today to operate an airline in that way. That's the problem.
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posted on
12/29/2003 11:09:33 AM PST
by
cc2k
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