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Bush leads country on spending spree.
Detroit News ^ | 12/28/03 | Tony Snow

Posted on 12/28/2003 10:40:12 AM PST by jimkress

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:09:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

When it comes to federal spending, George W. Bush is the boy who can

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To: Burkeman1
hope he appoints sound jurists to the bench. A lot to hope for yes. But there is no hope if Dean is elected.

Exactly. I'm willing to give the GOP one last shot (by voting Bush in '04). But if the Prez wins and doesn't appoint conservative jurists and otherwise governs like a conservative, especially if the GOP expands its power in Congress on his coat-tails, then I'll finally throw in the towell. What we've hoped for all these years is finally here -- a Republican President with a Republican majority in Congress. If things don't turn around given that set of circumstances, they never will.

221 posted on 12/28/2003 6:51:17 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Gunslingr3
"Pardon me for asking, but what does a 60% funding increase for the Dept. of Labor and a 70% increase in the Dept. of Education have to do with the War on Terror?"

Importnat point.

Your wasting your time.

If Bush attacked Mexico tomorrow some would buy that it's in the name of reducing terrorist threats here.

And they would never wonder why the house of Saud stands, Bekka Valley goes untouched and we are not pursuing Osama and thwe WMD's in Syria!

If Mullah Omar ran on the GOP ticket true repubs would feel compelled to back him.

222 posted on 12/28/2003 6:55:05 PM PST by Kay Soze (The WMDs are in the same hiding place that Bush's conservatism is. Yes I am Bush bashing!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
What we've hoped for all these years is finally here -- a Republican President with a Republican majority in Congress. If things don't turn around given that set of circumstances, they never will.

I am with you. This is the last shot I am giving the GOP. If Bush fails us in the judicial area I am done with the GOP. What point would there be left to vote for them if the SC is under control of radicals for the next 25 to 30 years?

223 posted on 12/28/2003 6:59:16 PM PST by Burkeman1 ("If you see ten troubles comin down the road, nine will run into the ditch before they reach you")
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To: FreeReign
Good job!
224 posted on 12/28/2003 7:01:43 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: jimkress
I'm convinced all this spending is part of the plan. The big question is what will he do in his second term when thinking about his legacy.

Turning the economy around is required to assure his reelection. Massive government spending helps turn the heat up on the pot. I'm just hoping GWB does not want to go down in history as the president who broke the back of the terrorists but drove the country into bankruptcy at the same time.

IF he and we come out ahead in the war on terrorism over the next five years AND he tames government spending ... maybe even showing strong conservative tendencies (if not full and true responsibility) , it is highly likely that a third term for the GOP is possible in the WH. A rare thing indeed.

Will the GOP even remember the WORD conservative in five years?
225 posted on 12/28/2003 7:02:04 PM PST by mercy
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To: EGPWS
"The power of the voter temporarily ends once the official is elected."

"OK, so why vote? After all, your statement renders the voting process useless."

My statement has no power to render anything useless. It merely points out that the ELECTED OFFICIAL has certain duties and repsonsibilities to the people who elected him. Especially those pledges that he campaigned on. This isn't rocket science here and there's no need to complicate it. Your vote gets the person elected..... what he does after the election is all too often NOT what he pledged to do.

226 posted on 12/28/2003 7:21:38 PM PST by TheCrusader
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To: jimkress
"Compare and contrast George W. Bush’s fiscal record with that of Bill Clinton. Total spending in Clinton’s first three years grew a total of 3.5 percent, and nondefense spending actually fell. Three major factors explain the discrepancy between presidents."

The projected 2005 deficit is actually less percentage wise than was the 1993 deficit under Clinton.

Furthermore, when growth in capital gains picks up, and it has already begun, the deficit gap will close PRONTO. Recall the years, 1998, 1999, and 2000 when the deficit went from 200-plus billion in the red to 200-plus billion in the black, all because of growth in (stock market) tax revenues.

President Bush is making the hard spending choices now with fighting terror and Medicare prescription, and hopefully he will allow the growing economy to close the deficit gap in 2005, 2006, and 2007 WITHOUT boosting spending even further.

To wrap it up, W's spending is not the end of the conservative world as some teeth-gnashers on this forum seem to imply.

227 posted on 12/28/2003 7:40:12 PM PST by Edit35
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To: jimkress
Can you e-mail me privately on a link to the US Constitution Party. I'm sick and tired of RHINO's. I stopped donating to the Republicans along time ago. I should qualify that. The only Republican I gave money to was Bret Shundler who ran in NJ. He should have won but he received NO help financially or otherwise from the Republican party because he was too conservative and might scare people away. Besides they are more comfortable funding minority RHINO's.
228 posted on 12/28/2003 8:13:31 PM PST by nmh
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To: jimkress
It's amazing that someone who has such a fine Foreign Policy should have such an abysmal Domestic Policy.

Based upon the iron grip on US politics, that the GOP and the Rats have legislatively assured themselves, I have always known that a third party would never have a chance in the US. However, Dubya may single-handedly change all of that. Up to now, he has been able to focus most attention away from his p1$$ poor Domestic Policy, by keeping attention on the war on terror, where he has performed very well. The question is, "How long can Dubya keep up such distractions?"

Once attention turns back to the domestic front, more and more Republicans will begin to realize that many of Dubya's Domestic Policies and initiatives are causing more harm than is made up for by his admirable Foreign Policy. They will realize that ALL true conservatives out there, would have just as good a Foreign Policy, without the excess baggage of an oppressive Domestic Policy. When enough Republicans wake up to that reality, the stage is set for a third party to emerge as a savior. The only problem then, is getting the various third parties to work together, which could be the death knell for any third party.

Even so, I cannot vote for Dubya. His supporters, blinded to his Domestic failures, by his Foreign successes, will point out that he is better than Dean, Kerry or any of the other Rats and that is a correct observation. But, such an observation intentionally fails to consider where you draw the line on what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior. All Republicans would readily admit that both Dean and Kerry are unacceptable. But, if asked who they would vote for, if those were the only two choices on the ballot, most of those Republicans would say that it doesn't matter which one is better and they would write-in a name, before casting a vote for either of those two, so unacceptable are they to Republicans. Well, that's the way I and many other Constitutional Republicans feel about Dubya.

Being better than the Devil is only a virtue if you are not also on the Devil's side. Most Constitutional Republicans don't ask that Dubya be a radical conservative. We know that would not be practical, as such a person would not be electable. All that we ask is that he just be anywhere to the right of center. Dubya has clearly crossed the line between Conservative and Liberal and is now acting like a Democrat, in all ways that count, except his Foreign Policy. He may be better than Dean and Kerry, but he is on their side. Slowly, more and more Republicans are realizing that being a good President means more than just having a good Foreign Policy. IF (and that's a big IF) public attention turns away from Dubya's Foreign Policy between now and the election, and Republicans begin to look seriously at his Domestic Agenda, he could be in real trouble, come November.

One can only hope.

 

229 posted on 12/28/2003 8:23:54 PM PST by Action-America (Best President: Reagan * Worst President: Klinton * Worst GOP President: Dubya)
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To: jimkress
Support the US Constitution Party.

I already do, and the above article is just one of the reasons. I'm very disappointed in what has become of the Republican Party. The Conservatives there can be counted on the fingers of ONE hand.
230 posted on 12/28/2003 9:35:38 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: joesnuffy
Its trillion dollar deficit spending with a little trickle down to stimulate the economy
Outsourcing jobs to China and India
Most favored trading partner communist China
Homieland security and transportation safety throwing 400 million at states for mandatory seatbelt laws primary stops
Open borders and no profiling muslims
No guns for commerical cargo pilots
VA hospital cuts...wounded soldiers hidden away in Army bases with crappy care
Citizenship and or amnesty for illegal aliens
Clinton and cronies escape without punishment
Signing of Incumbent Protection Laws...masquerading as CFR....
Black Robbed Thugs usurping the legislative process...
Many dissapointments

Shame on you for handing this country over to the Democrats because of "one issue." LOL ~sarcasm off~
231 posted on 12/28/2003 9:40:14 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: jimkress
Truthful article, Jim. I see the attacks have already begun. :0) The sophmores here won't argue points, just the usual mindless Crips vs. Bloods thingy.
232 posted on 12/28/2003 9:45:00 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: vto
I won't vote for him again.

And I won't vote for him for the first time. I hate Big Stupid Government.

233 posted on 12/28/2003 9:46:57 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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To: Kay Soze
I will throw my vote away on a third party in order to regain influence over the republican party.

Exactly. It's time they stopped taking our votes for granted and returned to principled thinking.
234 posted on 12/28/2003 9:48:55 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: Defender2
Divider!!!! LOSER!!!!

Shouldn't you be over on one of those "he's so dreeeemy" Bush picture-licker threads? Surely not here with the adults.

235 posted on 12/28/2003 9:49:13 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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To: sinkspur
And, if Howard Phillips wasn't fat and ugly, he'd be president, right?

Have you ever bothered to hear what Howard Phillips has to say? He's a principled Conservative.
236 posted on 12/28/2003 9:50:21 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: Defender2
Another WAAAA!!!! DIVIDER!!!! LOSER!!!!

Er, you're the only one throwing a tantrum, Defender.

237 posted on 12/28/2003 9:51:27 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: tbpiper
Support the US Constitution Party.
So full of it, it ought to be called the US Constipation Party. Take a laxative, you'll feel beter

Have you even bothered to read the platform? They are PRO- CONSTITUTION and you have a problem with that? They come closest to my belief system on many issues. They lack money to campaign well. They are relatively new to the scene and need to build a base. Their goals are admirable.
238 posted on 12/28/2003 9:57:15 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: Defender2
It's WARTIME people and unless you know something different, history shows that spending tends to go up in WarTime!!!!

So, how does squandering a trillion dollars of stolen taxpayer money, spent in Bush's latest vote-buying scam, get any more terrorists killed faster?

And how 'bout that assault on the First Amendment, huh? Bush Jr. is a dolt when it comes to limited government and securing the liberties of a free, self-governing people.

239 posted on 12/28/2003 10:01:09 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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To: Gunslingr3
You didn't answer my question. What OBL says or thinks is irrelevant. He is delusional, since there is no oil producing islamic country where what you mindlessly repeat exists, or has ever existed. What you said is non-sensical.

Perhaps it is news to you, but OBL and Co. recruit by saying that the U.S. government props up repressive despots like the Saudi govt. to manipulate the price of oil to our advantage (and thereby the disadvantage of the people who live on top of those resources).
Nutjobs can say anything that occurs to them any time they choose. It does not make it true. He would be a murdering savage whether what he says is fact or delusion. We can't base foreign policy out of fear of an international outlaw. If his recruits buy into his argument they run the risk of the consequences.
He wasn't making this argument before we put troops in Saudi Arabia. He wasn't attacking Americans then.
When was that? Before the first World Trade Center blast? It's very convenient to muddle cause and effect, isn't it. To arrive at your predetermined conclusions? I will have to review the rise of Bin Laden, the Taliban and perhaps even Black September, way back perhaps before you were born. My point is that "he wasn't attacking Americans then" rings hollow, and is irrelevant. Other faceless killers were doing it then.
It's very convenient to forget that internvention begets intervention. We'll see in 10 years what the latest round will reap.

Yes we shall, shan't we. I suspect you will as mute then as Janeanne Garofolo is today. Ignorance is ignorance, loud and strident when opportunistic and quiet as mice when demonstrably wrong.

240 posted on 12/28/2003 10:20:00 PM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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