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Fiery Plane Crash Kills 6 (North Las Vegas Airport, Dec 26)
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Posted on 12/27/2003 9:05:15 PM PST by chance33_98

Fiery Plane Crash Kills 6

(Dec. 26) Evening -- NTSB investigators and the plane's manufacturers have been on the scene of a fatal plane crash on Christmas Day. They're trying to figure out how the small single engine privately owned plane crashed at the North Las Vegas Airport as it was attempting to take off. But they are still having difficulty identifying the six passengers, four adults and two children, who died in the fiery crash.

NTSB investigators began surveying the plane crash from above. But spent most of the day in the 12-foot wash basin where the plane crashed in flames. The NTSB asked the plane's manufacturers to assist in examining the engine and body of the plane to determine if a mechanical problem prevented the plane from taking off. That's what eyewitnesses described happening to the plane Thursday.

Eyewitness Herb Sachs said, "Then it made its right turn, what we call a cross wind turn, and then saw it go down and down and down. And then I saw a puff of smoke."

"We'll look at everything. You look at everything every time. You look at the human factor, the operations factor, the weather factor and the machine. We'll look at the maintenance history, those kinds of records we'll be looking for," said NTSB investigator Howard Plagens.

But the fiery explosion left few clues for the investigators. The bodies are unidentifiable and little else remains to indicate where these four adults and two children were going on Christmas Day. The pilot did not file a flight plan.

The plane's owner just recently leased hanger space at the North Las Vegas Airport. But the owners incorporated in New Castle, Delaware. It is apparently common to register planes in that state. Some pilots say the Beechcraft Bonanza plane is a small plane. And while it does seat six, the weight ratio on the plane plays a role in its ability to take off.

The burnt remains of this plane have been moved to an airport hanger so that investigators can get a better look at the plane's parts. They are trying to figure out what caused the plane to crash.

Eyewitness News has also learned that people close to the passengers are on their way to Las Vegas from California and the East Coast to identify the victims on the plane. It may be only then that we learn who these people are.

(Dec. 26) Morning -- Federal investigators are at the scene of the deadly airplane crash that killed six people Thursday at the North Las Vegas airport. The privately owned single engine plane crashed at the airport on Christmas Day as it was attempting to take off.

All six of the passengers, four adults and two children died in the fiery crash. FAA records show that the plane was built in 1980 and was owned by Pat Car Air Incorporated of Wilmington, Delaware. But private plane owners say that many aircraft are incorporated in Delaware, but are based out of other cities because Delaware has a favorable base for airplanes.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: lasvegas; planecrash
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1 posted on 12/27/2003 9:05:16 PM PST by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
Scary. But I'm thinking if it was a single-engine plane, that makes any crash-into-Vagas-landmark scenario implausible.
2 posted on 12/27/2003 9:08:17 PM PST by BCrago66
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3 posted on 12/27/2003 9:08:59 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: BCrago66
Yeah, a hotel like the MGM Grand would chew up and spit out a little prop plane.
4 posted on 12/27/2003 9:09:34 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: chance33_98
Six people and a lot of fuel makes a heavy airplane.
5 posted on 12/27/2003 9:13:09 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: BCrago66
Sometimes a plane crash is just a plane crash.
6 posted on 12/27/2003 9:13:19 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: MediaMole
Thank is very true; but timing and place are factors here too.

One of the suspected terrorist from the AirFrance passenger list was suppost to either land in Vegas or hijack the plane into a landmark there.

Another article out now says small planes may be used to ram passenger planes.

This has to be considered here as well.
7 posted on 12/27/2003 9:20:17 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: U S Army EOD
4 adults and 2 childern with a full load of fuel shouldn't be an overload for an A-36 unless they were carrying a lot of badgage, that plane is very weight and balance critical and could well have been far out of CG.
8 posted on 12/27/2003 9:22:14 PM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: MediaMole
Just for reference...

NTSB -- Dec 2003 Aviation Accidents

Prior to this incident, 39 people have died in crashes of US registered aircraft in December. 57 were lost in November.

9 posted on 12/27/2003 9:25:29 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: dalereed
We can just speculate. Sounds like he did stall out. Lot of factors, engine not operating at full power, out of balance, time pilot had in that particular aircraft, heart attack----just got to wait until report.

We recently had a crash in Augusta, GA with a very experienced pilot. The maintenance people put JP5 in a piston engine aircraft. He lost both engines at about 200 feet, went into a swamp in about 8 feet of water and he and his wife drowned.

You would never expect that to happen.
10 posted on 12/27/2003 9:28:44 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: U S Army EOD
JP-5 that sounds like a law suit!
11 posted on 12/27/2003 9:37:06 PM PST by ibtheman
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To: ibtheman
JP-5 that sounds like a law suit!

They might try, but I doubt they'd be successful. It's the pilot's responsibility to see that the aircraft has the proper amount of the proper fuel for the flight.

Hb

12 posted on 12/27/2003 9:45:46 PM PST by Hoverbug
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To: ibtheman
They were trying to keep it very quiet.
13 posted on 12/27/2003 9:48:35 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: Hoverbug
How would he catch it??? He could check his guages and sound the the tanks but the wrong type of fuel would be hard to catch. He was going to fly to Mississippi to have some work done on the aircraft. He was the organiser of a big airshow we have every year in Augusta.
14 posted on 12/27/2003 9:52:07 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: chance33_98
Terribly written piece. What kind of illiterates are tv stations hiring these days?

College educated, affirmative actioned touchy-feelies who became "journalists" to "change the world", I'm sure.

Geez, disgraceful and haphazard writing.

I'm so happy I turned off the networks and the local stations they broadcast on over 10 years ago!

Mr. Atomic Vomit

15 posted on 12/27/2003 10:05:41 PM PST by Atomic Vomit
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To: Atomic Vomit
HA!

I went to the tv station's site to see who wrote such poor copy and, guess what............

......"news reporter" Cindy Cesare was the name on the byline. Whoever she is.

Affirmative action raises it's ugly head once more.

Gotta wonder where the editor was.

Mr. Atomic Vomit

16 posted on 12/27/2003 10:13:38 PM PST by Atomic Vomit
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To: Calpernia
One of the suspected terrorist from the AirFrance passenger list was suppost to either land in Vegas or hijack the plane into a landmark there.

To hijack an Air France to hit Las Vegas, it would have to divert from 30,000+ feet in altitude. This manuver would be detected immediately and the birds at Nellis AFB would splatter that plane in the desert before it got close to Vegas. This would have been the senario as the suspected flight was not going to Vegas, but rather going to L.A.

The small aircraft in this article was not using the airport next to the Vegas strip.

17 posted on 12/27/2003 10:16:47 PM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there is the face of Islam!)
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To: CommandoFrank
This manuver would be detected immediately and the birds at Nellis AFB would splatter that plane in the desert before it got close to Vegas.

FYI - Nellis is a training base. The last operational fighter wing left years ago - 474th.

But I did hear jets in the pattern Christmas day. I say "hear" because it was raining most of the day.

Just so happens that a lot of the training is for pilots that have serious "stick" time already. So, in a pinch, I guess these guys could probably handle most anything - should the need arise.

LVM

18 posted on 12/27/2003 10:41:21 PM PST by LasVegasMac (unrestricted - 780 HP out of a 351. Santa, can I have one - please?)
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To: U S Army EOD; Calpernia
What is the frequency, Kenneth? - I'm sending custom made tin foil hats to each.

LVM

19 posted on 12/27/2003 10:44:32 PM PST by LasVegasMac (unrestricted - 780 HP out of a 351. Santa, can I have one - please?)
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To: U S Army EOD
Aviation fuel is color coded. JP is clear, and smells like kerosene (because that's all it is really). Gasoline is colored and smells quite different than JP.

A fuel sample should be taken prior to the flight to check for the presence of water, foreign substance, color and smell during the pre-flight.

As an aside, I don't know how you EOD guys did it. My hat's off to ya!

Hb
20 posted on 12/27/2003 10:47:27 PM PST by Hoverbug
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