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The Nanny State Strikes Again
Fox News ^ | 12/26/03 | William A. Niskanen

Posted on 12/27/2003 3:13:33 PM PST by jimkress

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:38:13 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta, who must have little else to do, has recently urged state governments to pass "primary" seat-belt laws, which allow police to stop and cite motorists solely for failing to wear a seat belt.

And the Bush administration has proposed a $400 million incentive to reward state governments that pass such laws.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cato; nannystate; nutjobs; seatbeltlaws
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To: MEG33
There was rationing and all kinds of GOVERNMENT intrusions upon people's daily lives,during almost every war/" action ", in this country's history. There were speed limits during WW II.

Even during the Korean War, there were newspaper " drives " and the saving of tinfoil ( which seems, now, to have wound up all over the fringers ! ); not to mention laws about children's' vaccinations.

One of the problems, with the fringers, is that they didn't live through these times, nor have they even the smallest amount of knowledge concerning actual history.

While looking through a box of old photos and family " stuff ", the other day,instead of finding the picture my husband wanted, I found my mother's ration card, from WW II. LOL

161 posted on 12/27/2003 8:24:18 PM PST by nopardons
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To: FairOpinion
And, given the stuff Dubya supports and calls for, just what would be the difference between him and Dean? Please be specific.

Dubya has, to quote a good number of FR posters, taken all the issues the Dems would raise off the table by out-liberalling the libs. He has scarcely even ACKNOWLEDGED the Conservative base, let alone pursued ANY of their issues and concerns, to the point that, IMO, he's a one-termer.

Oh, and good riddance. At least when a Dem has the helm, people like you will rightly oppose his policies. Dubya just gets pass after pass. It's disgusting.
162 posted on 12/27/2003 8:28:12 PM PST by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for hims)
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To: nopardons
I have an old ration book,too and my mother's Red Cross scarf worn while rolling bandages.
163 posted on 12/27/2003 8:28:31 PM PST by MEG33 (We Got Him!)
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To: dcwusmc; nopardons
"And, given the stuff Dubya supports and calls for, just what would be the difference between him and Dean? Please be specific.

Dubya has, to quote a good number of FR posters, taken all the issues the Dems would raise off the table by out-liberalling the libs. He has scarcely even ACKNOWLEDGED the Conservative base, let alone pursued ANY of their issues and concerns, to the point that, IMO, he's a one-termer.

Oh, and good riddance. At least when a Dem has the helm, people like you will rightly oppose his policies. Dubya just gets pass after pass. It's disgusting."

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You leave me speechless. Anyone who thinks there is no difference between Bush and Dean must not be living in a real world -- is the most charitable way I can put it.

164 posted on 12/27/2003 8:32:51 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: MEG33
I also have my grandfather's PASSPORT, used for travel to CANADA , in the early teens of the 20th century. I bet that almost NO ONE, here,or anywhere else, for that matter,even knows that Americans needed a passport, when going into and out of Canada, once upon a time. LOL
165 posted on 12/27/2003 8:33:44 PM PST by nopardons
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To: sinkspur
The GOP keeps winning, and winning, and winning, and will win again in 2004 and increase its hold on the House and the Senate, and you're issuing silly ultimatums?

Yeah, I suppose advising people to just "shut the hell up" isn't silly, is it?! BTW, that complacentcy is what is going to get the GOP back to minority status, just like it did with the Democrats ten years ago.

Seems like America likes what the GOP is doing, and will continue to ignore the bleatings of the Constamatooshinalists, the Loosertarians, and all the other fringe rubber-roomers.

Whether or not you want to admit it, those "fringe rubber-roomers" are what gave the GOP their majority in 1994. Now a decade later, they have officially been taken for granted. So you party faithful go right on and sell out the smaller, less intrusive government crowd for the ever so loyal soccer moms. I can imagine the temper tantrums by some when the GOP ends up being brought down a couple of pegs after the "for the children" voters turn their backs on the party.

166 posted on 12/27/2003 8:37:08 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: FairOpinion
Those, here, who see little or no difference, between President Bush and Dean, haved their tinfoil wrapped far too tightly around them...it's cutting off the blood to their brains.

There isn't a viable politician,in any major party, whom they think is " good enough ". They'd much rather be miserable, than partly satisified. The ONLY time, these folks were " happy ", on FR, is during the Clintons' terms, when everyone here was miserable.

167 posted on 12/27/2003 8:38:39 PM PST by nopardons
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To: dcwusmc
Well,Dean will ask the UN permission to enact foreign policy.The Un would take over Iraq.

France gets"first right of refusal" if we need to implement something like Iraq or Afghanistan if Clark gets in.He says he couldn't catch war criminals because of allied sensitivity in Bosnia,Kosovo,Serbia,but insists we turn over Iraq to the same group!.

Dean will cancel the tax cuts.Clark said it didn't matter where Osama is tried if he is caught.Dean says his emphasis is on education,health care and (jobs) I suppose.He doesn't tell us how he is going to prevent outsourcing.Dean believes in gay unions,abortion.
168 posted on 12/27/2003 8:43:23 PM PST by MEG33 (We Got Him!)
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To: politicalwit
I agree.

I don't like the prospects of having a Dim in office, but re-electing Bush will send a message to the Republican party - that being, "We can call ourselves conservatives, we can push social programs and destroy the constitution, and we can still win elections!"

That's not why I voted for Bush, and that's why I probably won't vote for him again. I can't do it in good conscience.
169 posted on 12/27/2003 8:43:55 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Why do I carry a .45? Because they don't make a .46!)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Do you really want to pay, through your taxes, for the "victims" of such accidents? Or does it make sense to use the law to tell these people not to make themselves "victims," because they do not have a right to your money?

Respectfully, where does it stop? Are we going to be fined of the police see our kids riding a bike without a helmut? Are we going to have to submit to periodic checks to make sure no one in the house runs with sissors? At what point do we draw the line with the nanny state? Just because something sounds like a good idea or might protect someone, somewhere, at some time, does that mean we have to have the police enforce it?

170 posted on 12/27/2003 8:44:17 PM PST by Orangedog (Remain calm...all is well! [/sarcasm])
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To: FLAMING DEATH
See #168 and stand on your principles!
171 posted on 12/27/2003 8:46:38 PM PST by MEG33 (We Got Him!)
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To: nopardons; dcwusmc
Even Dems are scared of Dean and for a FReeper to see no difference between Bush and Dean, and actually prefer Dean is just beyond belief, and anyone who actually prefers Dean to Bush, loses any right to call themselves a conservative.

172 posted on 12/27/2003 8:49:47 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Orangedog
Whether or not you want to admit it, those "fringe rubber-roomers" are what gave the GOP their majority in 1994.

Maybe. But the GOP has kept its majority, and the "my-way-or-the-highway" crowd has been bitching ever since.

Politics is the art of the possible, and the "true believers" don't seem to have a clue as to how this game is played.

173 posted on 12/27/2003 8:50:40 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: NMC EXP
Research has found that lap/shoulder safety belts, when used, reduce the risk of fatal injury to front-seat passenger car occupants by 45 percent and the risk of moderate-to-critical injury by 50 percent. For light truck occupants, safety belts reduce the risk of fatal injury by 60 percent and moderate-to-critical injury by 65 percent.

Recent NHTSA analyses indicate an overall fatality-reducing effectiveness for air bags of 12 percent.

Research on the effectiveness of child safety seats has found them to reduce fatal injury by 71 percent for infants (less than 1 year old) and by 54 percent for toddlers (1-4 years old) in passenger cars. For infants and toddlers in light trucks, the corresponding reductions are 58 percent and 59 percent, respectively.

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSF2001/2001occpro.pdf

174 posted on 12/27/2003 8:51:39 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: FLAMING DEATH
Yep, you and your kind REALLY " sent a message " to the GOP, when Clinton was elected TWICE ...NOT!
175 posted on 12/27/2003 8:53:44 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Thank you for the stats.
176 posted on 12/27/2003 8:54:24 PM PST by MEG33 (We Got Him!)
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To: jimkress
Nah. The sell outs are the people like Jim Jeffords who leave the party and their values behind because they're personally offended by one policy or another that doesn't fit their agenda.

No candidate will ever represent everything I stand for, unless I run myself. The trick, then, is to pick the candidate who will be best for the country. That candidate is not Mr. Dean - who conservative defectors will hand the presidency to if they continue to cause division in a party that is now strong.

You've seen what these squabbles have done to the Democrats.
Why insist on doing the same to what was once your own?
177 posted on 12/27/2003 8:54:33 PM PST by Sockdologer (Sockin' it to ya.)
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To: jimkress
Nah. The sell outs are the people like Jim Jeffords who leave the party and their values behind because they're personally offended by one policy or another that doesn't fit their agenda.

No candidate will ever represent everything I stand for, unless I run myself. The trick, then, is to pick the candidate who will be best for the country. That candidate is not Mr. Dean - who conservative defectors will hand the presidency to if they continue to cause division in a party that is now strong.

You've seen what these squabbles have done to the Democrats.
Why insist on doing the same to what was once your own?
178 posted on 12/27/2003 8:54:35 PM PST by Sockdologer (Sockin' it to ya.)
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To: NMC EXP

Seat Belts Save Lives And Dollars

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/airbags/buasbteens03/

179 posted on 12/27/2003 8:56:00 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: FairOpinion
Yes, re everything in your post and then some!

Any " supposed " Conservative, who would rather have a Dem president, especially Dean,is NO " conservative " at all, doesn't understand the meaning of the term,knows and understands less than nothing about politics,and doesn't really care WHO is president at all; he/she/they just want, like a spoiled child, what they want, immediately, even when it's an impossibility.

180 posted on 12/27/2003 8:58:45 PM PST by nopardons
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