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What this country needs is catchall term for those in military uniform: Any ideas?
STLtoday.com ^ | 12-27-03 | Harry Levins

Posted on 12/27/2003 10:03:37 AM PST by FairWitness

Edited on 05/11/2004 5:35:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Each year, Time magazine picks the "Person of the Year" (formerly known, in less sensitive times, as the "Man of the Year"). This year, that person is "the American soldier," and the magazine's cover shows three of them, all from the Army's 1st Armored Division.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airforce; airman; anamericansoldier; army; manoftheyear; marine; marines; military; navy; sailor; soldier; timemag
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To: FairWitness
One of my favorites was always:

"The Leading Edge of the Sword of Freedom!"

However, Marine's like to be called Marines!

Semper Fi!

TS

101 posted on 12/27/2003 6:02:40 PM PST by The Shrew (Radio FreeRepublic - The New NPR)
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To: LiteKeeper
Both of us. Ask any prostitute in any country in the world, they are GI’s
102 posted on 12/27/2003 6:04:25 PM PST by oldmanlegg
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To: FairWitness
The military
103 posted on 12/27/2003 6:10:30 PM PST by It's me
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To: armymarinemom
We got a big kick out of calling our Marine and asking him how it felt to have his brothers as Person of the Year.

Not so fast, Mom.

Your Marine son is one of the "Soldiers of the Sea".

SOLDIERS OF THE SEA: ARE MARINES SOLDIERS?


SOLDIERS OF THE SEA: The U.S. Marine Corps 1775~1962, LtCol Robert D. Heinl, Jr. USMC, United States Naval Press Institute

104 posted on 12/27/2003 6:47:42 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius
Your Marine son is one of the "Soldiers of the Sea".

I love it!! We couldn't resist ragging him about the whole thing. His Devil puppy is moving in with us next week while Dad goes work for a few months. I heard a Master Guns refer this grandson as a natural born Marine. He said that we the doctor smacked him on the behind he jumped up and punched the doc back and said "Oorah!

105 posted on 12/27/2003 6:59:03 PM PST by armymarinemom (My Son Liberated the Honor Roll Students in Iraq)
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To: Rider on the Rain
G. I . It is like it is going the way of Merry Christmas. I still refer to them as G.I.s but rarely see the term used...
106 posted on 12/27/2003 7:13:01 PM PST by tubebender (Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see...)
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To: Rider on the Rain
I like G.I. but I also like MDAs for Military Defenders of America.
107 posted on 12/27/2003 7:45:07 PM PST by quendi
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To: Rider on the Rain
I like G.I. but I also like MDAs for Military Defenders of America.
108 posted on 12/27/2003 7:47:25 PM PST by quendi
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To: FairWitness
Recently at Yongsan Garrison here in Seoul, whenever a GI comes through the ID check they bellow out "WAR FIGHTER!" and a few other slogans. (And these boys know how to bellow!) It's very cool to hear. (Course the first time my fingernails were in the ceiling of the car and it was a good thing my War Fighter was driving.)
109 posted on 12/27/2003 8:04:10 PM PST by SaucyCranberry
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To: FairWitness
Military Heros = Meroes

as well as My Heroes
110 posted on 12/27/2003 8:28:28 PM PST by Quix (Particularly quite true conspiracies are rarely proven until it's too late to do anything about them)
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To: All
Or, if

Military Heroes = Meroes

or

My Heroes = Meroes

doesn't fit . . .

how about

The Heroes = Theroes
111 posted on 12/27/2003 8:30:54 PM PST by Quix (Particularly quite true conspiracies are rarely proven until it's too late to do anything about them)
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To: FairWitness
I think that each group DESERVES it's own recognition. Maybe that's why there's no appropriate "catchall term." Maybe civilians should TAKE THE TIME to appropiatly identify the branch of service. Who cares if the headline reads "160 Marines, 1 Navy Captain, 12 Army Tankers, or 5 Air Force Pilots," take the time...All who have fought for this and other nations gave the time. Many gave years and others gave the rest of their lives. Is it really too much to ask for proper recognition...
112 posted on 12/28/2003 8:24:27 PM PST by 107reaper
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To: Az Joe
All of them were out of Norfolk
113 posted on 12/29/2003 3:38:32 AM PST by BSunday (Freeper cliches sold here - we have a sale on "this is series" and "deeply saddened")
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To: CWOJackson; Az Joe; John Beresford Tipton; t1b8zs; DJtex; Big Midget; Servant of the 9; al baby; ...
FYI. This thread got a such a good response initially that I thought you all might like to see the responses the columnist himself got, and how those responses compared to yours. The column follows:

Readers suggest terms for Americans in uniform

Two weeks ago, I noted that Time magazine had chosen as its person of the year "the American soldier" - even though the word "soldier" is misleading. After all, Time meant the honor to embrace Marines, sailors and airmen as well as soldiers.

Trouble is, I said, American English lacks a short, pithy term to cover everybody in all four branches. I invited suggestions. By e-mail, phone and letter, responses came from 55 of you - a reinforced platoon. Some offered more than one suggestion.

The favorite was "warrior," which got 11 mentions - a healthy plurality.

One vote for "warrior" came from a retired Marine first sergeant who spent two years as a drill instructor at a Naval Officer Candidate School. (Think of Lou Gossett Jr. in "An Officer and a Gentleman.") He said his charges "loved that expression when being addressed. It creates a strong self-image of power and confidence."

Similarly, a Naval Reserve officer just back from a one-year staff tour with the U.S. Central Command wrote, "After working alongside Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine personnel, I can state that the term most often used when referring to themselves and their comrades was 'warrior.'"

This officer added that the term "is not politically correct. But wars and the warriors who fight them are not often given to political correctness."

Gasps in U. City




Along the same lines, another damn-the-political-correctness reader suggested "warfighter" - even though the term evokes gasps "in Madison, Wis., Berkeley, Calif., and University City, Mo."

On the other hand, the term "warrior" seems to rest awkwardly on some people in uniform. A cook on an aircraft carrier performs a vital job, as does a legal clerk on an Air Force base. But neither seems to flesh out the definition of "warrior."

Right behind "warrior" was "defender," with nine votes. A woman who recently retired as a civilian employee of the Defense Department wrote, "'Defender' is less offensive and more PC than 'warfighter,' especially when the mission of the 'defender' might be peacekeeping."

True. But generals might raise an eyebrow at the term. All armies subscribe to a list of "principles of war" - and prominent on all such lists is the notion of attacking whenever possible, while defending only as a last resort.

The thinking goes that although defenders may stave off defeat, only attackers win wars.

No such baggage accompanies the third most-popular choice - "GI," put forth by eight readers. Backers of "GI" say it's concise and time-tested.

Trouble is, "GI" shares the same drawback as "soldier." It's a term reserved for people in the Army. No self-respecting sailor or Marine wants to be called "GI."

Anyway, the term seems to be fading among the GIs themselves. These days, they call themselves "grunts." The term "GI" seems quaintly dated, like Lucky Strikes in green packages.

Acronyms aplenty




Six readers suggested variants of a term I'd never heard - "SAMS," or "Sammies." It's an acronym for "Soldiers, Airmen, Marines and Sailors," with overtones of Uncle Sam.

Well, maybe. After all, Britain has long called its soldiers "Tommies," after the generic name "Tommy Atkins." But before newspapers pick up on "Sammies," they'll have to hear it spoken by somebody with the clout of, say, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Three readers suggested "Patriot." In this all-volunteer age, patriotism surely runs more strongly than it did in the draft era. Still, patriotism is hardly limited to those in the armed forces. And some in uniform are serving for other reasons - college money, say, or a burning desire to get away from Hog Corners, Iowa.

Similarly, two readers suggested "Heroes." Trouble is, although all heroes wear uniforms, not everybody in uniform is a hero.

Among the one-shot suggestions was another acronym - "THORNS," for "Trained, Honest, Obediant, Respectful, National Servicepeople." Hmm. A touch prickly, huh?

One new construction - "milateer" - has possibilities. But my favorite came from a woman old enough to remember World War II. She wrote, "All the guys and gals in service were called 'Yanks.'"

It's short, grabby and understandable. Now, if we can get Mississippians and Red Sox fans to go along ...

Reporter Harry Levins
E-mail: hlevins@post-dispatch.com
Phone: 314-340-8144

114 posted on 01/10/2004 12:13:09 PM PST by FairWitness
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To: FairWitness
It's interesting that this thread on FR got more responses than Mr. Levins himself got to his column (72 individuals on FR vs. 55 responses to Mr. Levins).

The responses themselves were apparently fairly similar. with "warrior", "defender", and "GI" each getting good support.

"Six readers suggested variants of a term I'd never heard - "SAMS," or "Sammies." It's an acronym for "Soldiers, Airmen, Marines and Sailors," with overtones of Uncle Sam."
"SAMS" does have a nice muscular, Uncle Sam sound to it.

115 posted on 01/10/2004 12:19:59 PM PST by FairWitness
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To: FairWitness
Thanks for the followup. Warrior is cool.
116 posted on 01/10/2004 12:30:45 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: FairWitness
"Warrior is cool"

DEFENDER real BITES! As a MARINE, I would be insulted by that term - of course it did come from a civilian defense worker who would think of the WARRIORS as "their defenders".

117 posted on 01/10/2004 12:58:35 PM PST by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: FairWitness
On the other hand, the term "warrior" seems to rest awkwardly on some people in uniform. A cook on an aircraft carrier performs a vital job, as does a legal clerk on an Air Force base. But neither seems to flesh out the definition of "warrior."

OK, but let's look here at where our own conceptions of the word warrior come from. We often think of the Native American tribes where the warriors rode of and came back a week or two later with tales of their exploits.

The thing is, our own modern society has gotten so big that this is no longer feasible.

Warrior refers to an entire class of people. People who's sole employment is to enhance the ability of our military to perform its mission. So I see no conflict to refer to all members of the military as warriors- cook and clerk are also trained to employ weapons to kill the enemy, but needs being what they are, some people specialize in feeding the others, supplying the others etc.

Our notions of our warrior class are strongly influenced by our previous wars and historical references (the Native Americans for example) but they are proving to be unfounded in this day and age of shifting fronts. Jessica Lynch was a clerk. But we all know her role of simply supplying other troops thrust her in the role of actual warrior.

So, I think it's more fair to call all our servicemembers warriors. The delineation is between civilian and warrior, not between infantryman and supply clerk. The Infantryman and supply clerk will segregate themselves among themselves- but the public ought to think of them both as warrior. (taken to extremes, you have the different forms of combat soldiers making distinctions between themselves, ie infantrymen tend to scoff at the notion of tankers fighting a battle outside their tanks) The entire class of people are warriors.

118 posted on 01/10/2004 1:59:25 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: FairWitness
"Six readers suggested variants of a term I'd never heard - "SAMS," or "Sammies." It's an acronym for "Soldiers, Airmen, Marines and Sailors," with overtones of Uncle Sam."

The soldiers in Task Force Ranger in Somalia called the locals Sammies.

119 posted on 01/10/2004 2:01:22 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: CWOJackson
Soldiers, sailors and airman.

Hmmm... Yeah, that about covers it, I guess.
Smart guy.

Semper fidelis,
LH

120 posted on 01/10/2004 2:05:40 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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