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Bush hasn't justified war (GREELEY ALERT)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | December 26, 2003 | ANDREW GREELEY

Posted on 12/27/2003 8:20:35 AM PST by Chi-townChief

Was the capture of Saddam Hussein a major victory for the United States? It was certainly a victory in the extended Iraq war. It was a victory for President Bush over the man who plotted to kill his father. It was a victory for the U.S. military and its intelligence service -- especially for the lieutenant and the corporal who figured out how to find him. It was a victory for the Republican Party's plan to keep a stranglehold on American politics. But was it, as the president told us, a victory in the ''war on terrorism''?

Despite the media hoopla and the White House spin doctors, it was not. The administration legitimized the invasion of Iraq as part of the ''war on terrorism'' and deceived the American people into believing that Saddam was involved in the Sept. 11 attack and that he had ''weapons of mass destruction.'' No one, except possibly Vice President Dick Cheney and the Wall Street Journal, believed that Saddam was involved in the attack on the World Trade Center. The weapons of mass destruction have disappeared. The president asks a TV interviewer what difference the mass destruction question makes, now that we have eliminated Saddam from power.

Note how slippery the administration line has been. The purpose of the war now is to get rid of an evil man who had done horrible things to his own people, even if he wasn't a real threat to us. Would those Americans who are willing to settle for that rationale have bought it at the beginning of the war? Such is the slipperiness of the administration's dishonesty that it can get away with a change in motives for the war. Do those who buy this shifting of the deck of cards want to send American troops into North Korea or Iran or a half-dozen African countries to rid the world of similar evil men?

The truth is that Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and their ''neo-conservative'' intellectuals wanted a quick little war with Iraq to display America's strength as the world's only superpower even before the 2000 election. The attack on the World Trade Center provided an excellent excuse to unveil America's unilateral, preemptive foreign policy. Has the war made the United States any more secure from al-Qaida?

It would seem that it has not. Quite the contrary, it has stirred up a whole new phalanx of terrorists in Iraq with which we did not formerly have to contend.

It is reasonably well known that Osama bin Laden instructed his forces to have nothing to do with Saddam because he was a secularist and a socialist and not a good Muslim. A man who imagined himself as the holy Caliph of a new Islamic empire could hardly tolerate Saddam as one of his subjects.

The Iraq war, prolonged by unspeakably bad planning for the post-war period, has distracted the United States from the battle with terrorists. If the military force sent to Iraq and the immense efforts to capture Saddam had been diverted to pursuing bin Laden, Americans would be much safer today.

The ultimate failure of the Bush administration is that it permitted itself to be so consumed by its need to take on Iraq that it lost interest in hunting down bin Laden. Its ultimate dishonesty is the (effective) deception of the American people about Iraq.

So, brave and good American men and women continue to die in Iraq, as do good Iraqi men and women. The military tells us that the Army will have to remain for two more years. The war was not only unnecessary, it was unjust by any and all of the traditional canons of an unjust war.

Gen. Curtis LeMay, who led the firebomb raids on Japan (far more destructive than the atom bombs), once remarked that if the United States should lose the war, he would be tried as a war criminal. The United States won the war and no Americans were tried as war criminals. The victors are never tried.

The Bush administration is planning a trial for Saddam. The Europeans are insisting that it must be a ''fair'' trial, whatever that might be for such a man. No one in the Bush administration will be tried for the unjust and unnecessary Iraq war -- at least not by a court on Earth.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: andrewgreeley; greeley; iraq; iraqifreedom; justwar; saddamfreude
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To: inPhase
Sec Rum stated that no wmd were found.

The UN inspections found anthrax and other biological WMD several years back in Iraq. Saddam was told to get rid of these WMD and he was told to prove that he was getting rid of these WMD.

Saddam never did prove anything -- Saddam got what he deserved.

121 posted on 12/27/2003 12:28:25 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Chi-townChief
Greeley is an embarrassment to good Irish Catholics.
122 posted on 12/27/2003 12:28:54 PM PST by Barnacle (Dickens knew humanity and Divinity. He knew the rift between them and the paths that join them)
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To: JackRyanCIA
Wow, this guy needs an enema.

Give this guy a thorough enema, and he'd disappear.

123 posted on 12/27/2003 12:31:48 PM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: FreeReign
Saddam has not yet received what he deserves. Luckily so far they are too lo tech to use bio agents, but the pc nature of some aspects of the fight on terrorism can only help the arabs. We need to profile as a minimum.
124 posted on 12/27/2003 12:33:03 PM PST by inPhase
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To: inPhase
Homeland defense takes us to bigger gov since lbj. BrianS posts were a good chronicle.

No it doesn't.

In 1968, Federal spending was 20.5% of GDP. In 2002, the last completed calender year, GDP was 19.5% of GDP.

BTW, from 1975 to 1996, federal spending was between 20.3% and 23.5% of GDP.

125 posted on 12/27/2003 12:34:05 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Registered Republican I am. I am laughing that I answered you. Cheer up.
126 posted on 12/27/2003 12:38:58 PM PST by inPhase
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To: Chi-townChief
This guy is a nut pure and simple. I have never and I emphasis never heard Vice President Cheney say that he thought Saddam Hussein had anything to do with the attacks of Sept. 11th, 2001. As for "weapons of mass destruction" does this Greeley character just have selective amnesia when it comes to the gassing of the Kurds in the 1980's? Also the accumulation of evidence that Hussein was associating with terrorists is devastatingly overwhelming. The most telling thing about this piece is the embittered reference to a GOP stranglehold on American politics. Clearly this is a Democrat who is diluted about the fact that his party is out of touch with Post-Sept 11th 2001 America.
127 posted on 12/27/2003 12:40:15 PM PST by B0rat
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To: FreeReign
Sounds like you know about this. What do the numbers look like for inclusion of HD? I am reading in the news without challenge -- and in the Congressional record that this is the biggest gov and gov exp since lbj from Republican senators too. Of course the devil is in the numbers.

How about pulling numbers for the Army, say? Anyone know? I know DOD has soared, but am reading that the ARmy is getting the shaft.
128 posted on 12/27/2003 12:43:30 PM PST by inPhase
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To: Chi-townChief
Greeley can't justify the previous so-called peace.
129 posted on 12/27/2003 12:44:19 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: inPhase
Sounds like you know about this. What do the numbers look like for inclusion of HD? I am reading in the news without challenge -- and in the Congressional record that this is the biggest gov and gov exp since lbj from Republican senators too. Of course the devil is in the numbers. How about pulling numbers for the Army, say? Anyone know? I know DOD has soared, but am reading that the ARmy is getting the shaft.

I believe our DOD discretionary spending is down with most of our new defense spending being done accross all of the departments as part of Homeland defense. Before Homeland Defense, the presidnet's discretionary budget was flat relative to GDP. Since HD, the discretionary department budgets have received on average, a +4% increase over GDP over the last two budget years.

Of course, at the discretion of the current congress and president, the future nondiscretionary spending problem will be this new Prescription Drug benifit. But that's a different subject, aye?

130 posted on 12/27/2003 12:57:45 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign; All
hey thanks.

Happy New year best yet.

Good skiing day in the Sierras!
131 posted on 12/27/2003 1:02:38 PM PST by inPhase
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To: Barnacle
I would say that Greeley is an embarrassment to all mammals.
132 posted on 12/27/2003 1:15:49 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Mike4Freedom
Just might have something to do with the mural they found showing airliners with Iraqi markings crashing into the WTC. That convinced me pretty thoroughly.

133 posted on 12/27/2003 1:19:48 PM PST by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF (Ret.))
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To: Chi-townChief
He's mammalian?
134 posted on 12/27/2003 1:20:37 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Chi-townChief
LOL
135 posted on 12/27/2003 1:28:23 PM PST by Barnacle (Dickens knew humanity and Divinity. He knew the rift between them and the paths that join them)
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To: Go Gordon
Just because France and Germany told Saddam they would keep the US from attacking, doesn't mean the teeth of 1441 were not valid. The vote, BTW, on 1441 was 17-0.

Resolution 1441 had no teeth. It explicitly stated that any force would require further approval from the Security Council. The attempt to get this approval failed and the request was withdrawn rather than let such a lopsided vote of 4 out of 15 to be recorded.

136 posted on 12/27/2003 1:45:17 PM PST by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: churchillbuff
They admitted to having the WMDs. Where is the proof positive that they destroyed them?
137 posted on 12/27/2003 1:58:49 PM PST by rogator
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Ignorance is the primary reason for the dire insignificance of the Libertarian party. You people are simple minded, in-your-face CLUELESS as well as pompously irrelevant.

Actually, I find Libertarians smarter and more morally aware than the average. That is why they put their efforts into a small party. They understand and are confident in their opinion that neither of the old parties is worth the powder to blow it to hell. No matter who is in power, the government grows, both in dollar terms and in terms of intrusions into our lives.

Liberal Democrats are at least getting what they say they want, however foolish their wants are. Conservative Republicans are currently being bamboozled really bad. You all are putting your support to a bunch of dangerous neo-conservative would be tyrants.

Your president has:
Instituted a large welfare type benefit for prescription drugs that we cannot possibly pay for.
Put people in jail without any pretense of due process and kept them there for more than 18 months and counting
Made numerous false statements to justify an illegal and weakening war
Signed the campaign finance reform measure that endangers First Amendment free speech
Promised to sign a renewal of the assault weapons ban

This is not what a conservative does. Bush is not a conservative, even if he supports you on abortion. That is just not enough.

138 posted on 12/27/2003 2:00:03 PM PST by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: Chi-townChief
Isn't an attempt to kill the President of the United States in itself justification for war?

139 posted on 12/27/2003 2:01:02 PM PST by rogator
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To: AFPhys
It is clearly stated, and accurate in every detail, in this insignificant little speech: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html

Thanks for the link. I reread the State of the Union speech. I found that I had forgotten the other wild falsehood in it, the high strength aluminum tubes. Notice how that story got buried after some scientists finally got it out to the press that it was impossible to use those tubes for refining Uranium.

140 posted on 12/27/2003 2:03:53 PM PST by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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