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To: logic101.net
I probably shouldn't be responding to this because I expect to be flamed. However, here goes...

The example about Dr. quack is so far off the mark, I'm not sure if the writer is sincere or not. Contrary to the Dr. Quack example of saving someone from being maimed, the facts appear to be that Limbaugh intentionally went to Dr. #1 and said he has chronic pain and needs relief. Dr. #1 gives Rush a prescription. Rush then goes to Dr. #2 and, without telling #2 about #1, says he has chronic pain and needs relief. Dr. #2 writes a prescription. Then Rush goes to Dr. #3, and without mentioning Dr's #1 and #2, does the same thing, etc. This is "doctor shopping". Not what is outlined by the author.

I said previously I'm not sure of the writer's intentions are sincere or not because the example of Dr. quack is so far off from the facts as I understand them and as I outlined above. Comparing Rush's situation to the lack of prosecution of Brett Farve in a different state with different laws doesn't excuse Rush's behavior. Its no different from a child's excuse of "everyone is doing it". Saying Rush is being singled out because of who he is addresses nothing about Rush's behavior.

I read a lot here about moral relativism. To me, what's right is right, what's wrong is wrong. Rush didn't need thousands of pills, nor did he need to doctor shop. If he wasn't getting relief from the treatment from Dr. #1, then he should have gotten a second opinion, then a third or fourth, or as many as he needed to get relief. With Rush's money he could afford the best care available in the entire world. He could afford the latest state of the art care for his pain. Clandestinely meeting someone in a parking lot to buy thousands of pills is not the act of someone trying to relieve their pain because the doctors have failed to do so. These are the actions of an addict.

I hope Rush has found relief from his addiction and from his pain. I also hope he deals with his legal problems in a forthright manner. By that I mean I would hope Rush does not continue to blame everyone else for his own actions and subsequent prosecution. Rush should stand up, take his medicine like a man and move on. Rush would find that this would make the vast majority of his listeners extremely proud of him.
14 posted on 12/26/2003 5:18:37 AM PST by DaGman
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To: DaGman
the facts appear to be ...

Where did you learn of these facts?

ML/NJ

17 posted on 12/26/2003 5:21:52 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: DaGman
By that I mean I would hope Rush does not continue to blame everyone else for his own actions and subsequent prosecution. Rush should stand up, take his medicine like a man and move on. Rush would find that this would make the vast majority of his listeners extremely proud of him.

I'm surprised he hasn't said there's a Vast Left Wing Conspiracy out to get him. He's almost said as much.

19 posted on 12/26/2003 5:28:19 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: DaGman
Wherever you got these facts, they are WRONG!!

Rush went to 2 doctors IN THE SAME PRACTICE! These doctors are partners and both would have had access to his medical records, including prescription records. The other two doctors were in CA, where he received treatment for his deafness. This certainly does NOT constitute going from Dr 1, to 2, to 3, all of them unknown to the other.

Secondly, where do you get your information that he bought drugs from anyone in a parking lot? The Enquirer? Do you also know this woman and her husband were trying to extort $4 million from him? They obtained secret security codes for his radio studio and cornered him in his garage to threaten him?

One thing you are correct about is that Rush is an addict. Whoopty-doo. He wasn't taking pills to get high, he was taking them for pain relief. If you can't see the difference, then there might not be hope for you.

As far as I'm concerned, Rush has done what he needs to do by admitting he had a problem and getting treatment for it. Should he just sit back and allow a politically motivated prosecutor to destroy him? Come on.

49 posted on 12/26/2003 6:03:28 AM PST by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: DaGman
The thing that really bothers me about this thread is that there are some major facts here that have been omitted. First it is a fact that the prosecutor in this case screwed up royally when he granted immunity to the two clowns who were selling him the drugs in the first place. After extorting money and shaking him down for ogles of money, it is when Rush would not pay them any more that they then go to the police. After these two morons go to the police and are granted immunity by the prosecutor they then sell their story to the Enquirer. To sum it up they lost their case. Then it was leaked to the press that there was a money laundering investigation in New York that turns out was bogus. Then you hear that Rush was involved in a drug ring and then that disappears. In short the Prosecutor is on a fishing expedition. I do not know if you are aware of this but leaking any thing to the press in an investigation of this magnitude is a crime in the State of Florida. Furthermore, in Florida's constitution there is a right to privacy that is guaranteed by that constitution. Remember the original crime that was committed was purchasing non prescribed pain killers not street drugs like heroin or cocaine. So why does the prosecutor need to see these records? Yes and one thing that has not been said is that two of the doctors in question work in the same office. A third is an audiologist in Los Angeles where he sought treatment after he lost his hearing and I could go on in the past he has talked about our medical system
77 posted on 12/26/2003 6:21:02 AM PST by peter the great
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To: DaGman
Rush should stand up, take his medicine like a man and move on. Rush would find that this would make the vast majority of his listeners extremely proud of him.

Excellent post. It would make me proud of him. The way he's acting now, it looks like he's going to go down whining like a flaming liberal.

82 posted on 12/26/2003 6:22:36 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: DaGman
Clandestinely meeting someone in a parking lot to buy thousands of pills is not the act of someone trying to relieve their pain because the doctors have failed to do so. These are the actions of an addict.

They are the actions of adults being babysat. I guarantee you that if, for some reason the government decided to overstep its bounds and forbade me from seeing my children, I wouldn't hesitate to clandestinely meet them in a parking lot. Hiding one's activities is directly proportionate to the level of tyranny in a society. Conversely, openess is directly proportionate to the level of liberty.

156 posted on 12/26/2003 7:09:51 AM PST by laredo44 (liberty is not the problem)
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To: DaGman
"the facts appear to be that Limbaugh intentionally went to Dr. #1 and said he has chronic pain and needs relief. Dr. #1 gives Rush a prescription. Rush then goes to Dr. #2"

I think you need to visit Rush limbaugh website and take time to read the proceedings. Rush visited 4 doctors, 2 worked in the same clinic and the other two where ear specialists.

The problem is Rush was not taking the pain killers fro recreation but for a legitimate back pain. His addiction was not for kicks but accidental.
199 posted on 12/26/2003 8:00:00 AM PST by Psycho_Runner (Saddam says "oh Shiite" right before capture.)
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To: DaGman
I sincerely hope that you are not an M.D. The reason I say this is I suspect that if you are you will find what I have to say in response to certain aspects of your post, deeply offensive. Anyway here goes.

"I read a lot here about moral relativism. To me, what's right is right, what's wrong is wrong. Rush didn't need thousands of pills, nor did he need to doctor shop."

I don't think there is any moral issue here. Nor is there right or wrong in what Rush did. To paraphrase Dr. Walter Williams, there are just laws and unjust laws. An unjust law is one that allows the government to do something that it would prosecute us for doing. For example, the Government can take your money and buy some pain killers and give them to me. I, on the other hand, would go to jail if I took your money and bought myself some pain killers.

It is my belief that requiring a prescription from an M.D. for an effective pain killer, while there is a plethora of less effective pain killers available "over-the-counter" (note the negative connotation of "over-the-counter") is racketeering, as in RICO, the racketeers are the Government, the AMA and the Pharmaceutical manufacturers. I can legally kill myself slowly with alcohol and/or acetaminophen. I can buy alcohol by the barrel and Tylenol by the case if I cared to, legally.

Has it been established as fact that Rush bought thousands of pills? If so, over what period of time? Don't pills come in different dosages? I take a medication daily that comes in micrograms and the pills or available from 25 micrograms to 300 micrograms, so 1000 of the 25s would be equivalent to 83 of the 300s, 1000s even if true may be misleading.

Finally, how did you come to the conclusion that Rush didn't need to Dr. shop? Do you have a more effective method?

"Clandestinely meeting someone in a parking lot to buy thousands of pills is not the act of someone trying to relieve their pain because the doctors have failed to do so. These are the actions of an addict."

I think there are millions of men meeting clandestinely with their M.D.s to purchase Viagra...may not be in a parking lot, it's just a matter of privacy.

Is there some law against addiction? I've never heard of one. I suspect there are some here who are "addicted" to FreeRepublic, should they stand up and take their medicine like men or...be prosecuted?

"Rush should stand up, take his medicine like a man and move on."

Are you being a punster here? Rush did indeed take his medicine like a man. Now he is taking his "medicine" like a man.

317 posted on 12/26/2003 11:30:49 AM PST by Positive
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To: DaGman
"I read a lot here about moral relativism. To me, what's right is right, what's wrong is wrong. Rush didn't need thousands of pills, nor did he need to doctor shop. If he wasn't getting relief from the treatment from Dr. #1, then he should have gotten a second opinion, then a third or fourth, or as many as he needed to get relief."

OPEN your eyes. Rushs DID get a second opinion,(the same thing thousands if not millions of people do every day) and now he's being charged with DOCTOR SHOPPING.

How bogus is that.

Whatever you call it, it is a pure witchhunt based on political paybacks.

381 posted on 12/26/2003 1:41:30 PM PST by Edit35
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To: DaGman
How are we supposed to know that Rush had taken 1000 plus pain pills? Is this verifiable? Or are we only being spoon fed what the leftist media and DA want us to hear?

It is hard to believe that Rush Limbaugh can rise to such fame and fortune if he was taking those massive doses that the some want us to believe?

Moreover, are we supposed to believe the ravings of Rush's ex-maid who sold her story to a tabloid magazine as gospel on what Rush was doing or not doing?

And, finally, isn't it a bit odd that the DA is protecting an extortionist rather than the victim?

561 posted on 12/27/2003 7:53:31 PM PST by harpo11
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To: DaGman
If you don't believe that Rush should defend himself to the best of his ability than you're an ass.
633 posted on 12/30/2003 11:50:53 AM PST by Hildy
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