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To: elli1
OK--Here you're changing the question. I thought you wanted to know would they fight to defend America. Now you're asking should they have to to defend America. Give me an example of the sort of defense situation you're thinking and then wait for me to answer the question before coming to conclusions about what I think. OK? Fair?

This is really getting tedious. You know perfectly well what I mean.

You aren't giving consideration to the numbers of people in that 10 million who would serve in the military if given the opportunity, nor consideration to the numbers who would like to but cannot because they don't meet other basic eligibilty requirements such as having a high school diploma (correct me if I'm wrong about this now being a reqirement.

Please stop acting as if I am being disingenous. Too bad if they are too stupid to get a high shcool diploma.

...or, probably more precisely, willing to defend North America...

Here, once again, your true loyalty is revealed. You see North America as one nation and would have the borders opened to all these slugs from the south of the our border.

WE were talking about MONEY and where it is being spent.

No, we were not. I was talking about the drain of money going to Mexico and points south while the advocates of illegals, like yourself, are trying to convince us that they contribute to our society. Quite a big difference in reality and what you would like us to see.

For example, most of the illegals who were rounded up who were working for the contractor cleaning Wal-Marts were eastern Europeans.

Shewairy did say the workers came from 18 nations and included 90 people from Mexico, 35 from the Czech Republic, 22 from Mongolia and 20 from Brazil. The government initially said it had arrested about 300 people, but Shewairy said Friday the number turned out to be lower. From here.

You see how you exagerate? The fact is that most of the people arrested were hispanic. You just can't accept the fact that these illegals are thieves and criminals.

Obviously, many of those you describe have little or no mechanical sense. But you have to keep in mind that these people come here from a third world country and haven't had nearly the degree of exposure to machinery that many Americans here do. And it's just a fact that no matter how much exposure people have, some of them are total mechanical idiots. My 13 YO son can barely figure out which end of the cord goes into the outlet, but I need to be well rested if I plan to engage him in a game of mental math.

It has nothing to do with mechanical aptitude. They are stupid and lazy. They break the machine to stop working. They think I can't tell this. I can. I have 25 years of experience figuring out why something doesn't work. It's just too bad they don't have this in their own country. Stop them from coming into ours illegally. Send them all back. They are drain on our society.

237 posted on 12/28/2003 2:46:10 PM PST by raybbr
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To: raybbr
You know perfectly well what I mean.

I do not. I don't pretend to be clairvoyant.

Too bad if they are too stupid to get a high shcool diploma.

I don't assume that someone is stupid based on their lack of formal education. To make that assumption reeks of intellectual arrogance.

Here, once again, your true loyalty is revealed. You see North America as one nation and would have the borders opened to all these slugs from the south of the our border.

Not a very perceptive remark. Just because Mexicans crossed the border & enlisted in the US military after Pearl Harbor doesn't prove to me that they were motivated to do so out of loyalty to the United States. I considered that they viewed the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor as an attack on North America....that the Japanese might very well decide to bomb the Long Beach naval yard or San Diego, that they envisioned a possible Japanese invasion of California or the Baja peninsula, that there was a sizeable Hispanic community in California, some of whom were probably relatives & that if the Japanese decided to occupy the United States, that the Japanese would likely not stop at the Rio Grande River & would continue to march south and occupy Mexico. The enemy of my neighbor is my enemy. You don't need even a high school diploma to figure that out; all you need is a little common sense & a freaking map.

I was talking about the drain of money going to Mexico and points south...

And so was I. You're angry about it but you're only angry when it's Hispanics sending American dollars back to Mexico. Those dollars that go to Mexico don't hit a brick wall & disintegrate. Mexico is our second largest trading partner and Mexico has approx. 1/3 the population of the US. In 200l Mexico exports to the US totaled $131.43 billion & Mexico imports from the US totaled $113.7 billion. It's pretty obvious that some of those dollars are making a round trip.

Shewairy did say the workers came from 18 nations and included 90 people from Mexico, 35 from the Czech Republic, 22 from Mongolia and 20 from Brazil. The government initially said it had arrested about 300 people, but Shewairy said Friday the number turned out to be lower.

Thank you for the link. I had not read that article & I stand corrected. Several articles, all of the ones that I had read, stated that those rounded up were mainly Eastern Europeans. I was agreeing with you (about other than Hispanic illegal aliens not being the subject of much discussion) & did not make an intentional nor deliberate exaggeration. Here's one article that states (erroneously apparently) that those rounded up were mainly eastern Europeans: http://www.softcom.net/webnews/wed/bp/Qus-walmart-immigrants.RKti_DN4.html WSJ (within the last 3 weeks or so, posted here at Free Republic) also did an indepth piece about the shady contractor situation & discusses the eastern Europeans.

It has nothing to do with mechanical aptitude. They are stupid and lazy. They break the machine to stop working. They think I can't tell this. I can. I have 25 years of experience figuring out why something doesn't work. It's just too bad they don't have this in their own country. Stop them from coming into ours illegally. Send them all back. They are drain on our society.

Doesn't speak well for the employer who hired them & keeps them on the payroll, does it? The employer is stupid and apparently too lazy to find better workers. The American employer is hiring stupid & lazy illegals. Why doesn't the employer at least hire stupid & lazy American employees? Those aren't hard to find either. Why are you so angry w/ illegals working in this country when it's Americans who are hiring them & making it possible for them to work here in the first place? Your anger is misplaced.

Send them all back

How? What's your plan on how to accomplish this? How do you plan to keep others from taking their place? How do you plan to prevent them from returning? For that matter, how the hell do you plan to find all 10 million of them? How many new police & border patrol hires do you estimate we will need? How much do you estimate it will cost to find 10 million people, to deport 10 million people, to refind them, to re-deport them? How do you plan to make the border leak-proof? You don't like my plan. Present your plan and let us examine it.

238 posted on 12/28/2003 11:44:22 PM PST by elli1
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