Well, excuse me for not understanding your poorly worded & confusing question. First you said to disregard illegals & then you framed the question about illegals. So, are you asking if illegals would engage in hand to hand combat in the parking lot of Pizza Hut in order to repel the enemy force? Are you asking if a 67 year old grandfather gardener will chase after the bad guys w/ his pitchfork? Most assuredly you aren't talking about the many Hispanics who are in the military, many of whom are not citizens but who have demonstrated that they will indeed fight for this country.
I have highlighted the key point to your position. Times are different today. I don't see any evidence that these beloved illegals of yours would lift a finger to help defend America.
From the April 2003 WSJ, since you apparently didn't read it the first time I posted it: ...And while polls say 80% of Mexicans do not support this war, the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City has been swamped with hundreds of requests to enlist in the U.S. military... You refuse to see the evidence when it's put under your nose. And what a discount you ascribe to the men who crossed the border & joined the US military after Pearl Harbor was bombed. What a discount to their character. And an attitude that character is a one shot deal and not something a person strives to instill in their children and their children into their sons & daughters. To not suppose that these men were proud of their service & that their children & grand children are not proud of that service.
These retirees are not leaching off of Mexicans. They are living a life as a retired person not one of an illegal invader.
Off topic. Another version of ad hominem attack. You're angry that Mexicans send money they earn in this country to Mexico. Why aren't you angry that Americans are spending money they earned in this country in Mexico. You, sir, are inconsistent.
That is not even part of the arguement. It has nothing to do with the issue at hand which is loyalty to a country that provides the freedom they are living under.
You don't want illegals here & then you're angry because they don't identify themselves as Americans? You should be happy. If they don't feel American, that should be an indication that they want to return to Mexico. Again, you are being inconsistent.
These illegals have very little respect for the laws and they, by the fact that they are willing to break the law from day one, show me that they do not value the freedoms we have and thereby denegrate our society.
Back to the same old thing about us disagreeing on the degree of criminality. If a guy jumps a fence & steals a chicken to feed his starving children, he's guilty of breaking at least two laws. But he's not a criminal. Has not one thing to do with freedom values & is an indictment of society rather than a denigration of it.
You are pro hispanic. Plain and simple. You never once talk about the Europeans, Asians, or Africans that come here illegaly. It is painfully obvious to me you are motivated by a misguided respect for criminals who are willing to subvert the very laws that grant you the freedom to live here. If you are so enamored of these hispanics then go live in Mexico where you can be surrounded by these wonderful people. As you advocate the destruction of our country I think you should leave.
So what? I've presented some dimensions of the situation that appear to make you uncomfortable. Have I been inaccurate? If so, please elucidate. Refute what I have said with some facts. All you've presented are feelings, impressions; make your case on something other than emotions. Quit trying to change the subject by bringing Europeans, Africans & Asians into the discussion when you know darned well that 99% of the discussion has revolved around illegal immigration from Mexico. And, FYI, I don't give a flying fig about where you think I should live. I'm an American & I'll live where I freakin' well want to live. However, since you seem particularly perturbed about where you live, I'd suggest that you would probably be much, much happier living somewhere else.
Maybe not him, but how about his sons and grandsons? Apparently you don't think even they should have to defend America, the country they are sponging off.
Most assuredly you aren't talking about the many Hispanics who are in the military, many of whom are not citizens but who have demonstrated that they will indeed fight for this country.
Some 20,000 people compared to the estimated 10 million illegals. I am so unimpressed by these numbers. Besides, they don't do it out of any sense of pride as an America. Just another attempt to become a citizen.
And what a discount you ascribe to the men who crossed the border & joined the US military after Pearl Harbor was bombed. What a discount to their character.
That was sixty years ago. Doesn't count when talking about amnesty today.
Off topic. Another version of ad hominem attack. You're angry that Mexicans send money they earn in this country to Mexico. Why aren't you angry that Americans are spending money they earned in this country in Mexico. You, sir, are inconsistent.
NOt inconsistent at all. I am still talking about illegals. Those people are not in Mexico illegally. (I know that you don't recognize them as illegals. You have your moral blinders on.)
ou don't want illegals here & then you're angry because they don't identify themselves as Americans? You should be happy. If they don't feel American, that should be an indication that they want to return to Mexico. Again, you are being inconsistent.
Your statement is illogical. It is possible to both not want them here and be disgusted by the fact that they show respect for the country that supports them while they are committing their crime of illegal invastio.
So what? I've presented some dimensions of the situation that appear to make you uncomfortable. Have I been inaccurate? If so, please elucidate.
You make me uncomfortable by your blatant disregard for the law and the sovereign right of America to protect its borders. You would have them come here unabated. That makes me uncomfortable. I know you state to the contrary but I no longer believe you.
Quit trying to change the subject by bringing Europeans, Africans & Asians into the discussion when you know darned well that 99% of the discussion has revolved around illegal immigration from Mexico.
Which is exactly my point. No one cares if those others are sent back home. It's only the hispanics that get the attention. Why? Why are we, as a nation, allowing one group of criminals a free pass and not the rest? They add nothing to our society. They are a drain and now they are here with their hands out as if we are supposed to fill it for them. They disgust me.
Just a general description like if they are co-workers, etc.
I guess they are co-workers. I am an industrial electrician. I don't see the noble hispanics that you see. I see, when the press goes down, all the whites working to get it running again while the hisps sit around on their fat butts. When I am called to a machine because they broke it, I hear, "Broke, no work." and I am left to try to figure out what is wrong with it because they can't (or won't) tell me in English what the problem is. Most of them are lazy and would have me fix all the problems with their equipment because they refuse to keep it clean, do any general maintainence or even care what happens to it. I don't have a misguided respect for hispanics. I have not, nor will I fall into the trap of believing that they are all wonderful, hard-working people. I see first hand the scum that they are. I cannot be convinced otherwise.