Maybe not him, but how about his sons and grandsons? Apparently you don't think even they should have to defend America, the country they are sponging off.
Most assuredly you aren't talking about the many Hispanics who are in the military, many of whom are not citizens but who have demonstrated that they will indeed fight for this country.
Some 20,000 people compared to the estimated 10 million illegals. I am so unimpressed by these numbers. Besides, they don't do it out of any sense of pride as an America. Just another attempt to become a citizen.
And what a discount you ascribe to the men who crossed the border & joined the US military after Pearl Harbor was bombed. What a discount to their character.
That was sixty years ago. Doesn't count when talking about amnesty today.
Off topic. Another version of ad hominem attack. You're angry that Mexicans send money they earn in this country to Mexico. Why aren't you angry that Americans are spending money they earned in this country in Mexico. You, sir, are inconsistent.
NOt inconsistent at all. I am still talking about illegals. Those people are not in Mexico illegally. (I know that you don't recognize them as illegals. You have your moral blinders on.)
ou don't want illegals here & then you're angry because they don't identify themselves as Americans? You should be happy. If they don't feel American, that should be an indication that they want to return to Mexico. Again, you are being inconsistent.
Your statement is illogical. It is possible to both not want them here and be disgusted by the fact that they show respect for the country that supports them while they are committing their crime of illegal invastio.
So what? I've presented some dimensions of the situation that appear to make you uncomfortable. Have I been inaccurate? If so, please elucidate.
You make me uncomfortable by your blatant disregard for the law and the sovereign right of America to protect its borders. You would have them come here unabated. That makes me uncomfortable. I know you state to the contrary but I no longer believe you.
Quit trying to change the subject by bringing Europeans, Africans & Asians into the discussion when you know darned well that 99% of the discussion has revolved around illegal immigration from Mexico.
Which is exactly my point. No one cares if those others are sent back home. It's only the hispanics that get the attention. Why? Why are we, as a nation, allowing one group of criminals a free pass and not the rest? They add nothing to our society. They are a drain and now they are here with their hands out as if we are supposed to fill it for them. They disgust me.
Just a general description like if they are co-workers, etc.
I guess they are co-workers. I am an industrial electrician. I don't see the noble hispanics that you see. I see, when the press goes down, all the whites working to get it running again while the hisps sit around on their fat butts. When I am called to a machine because they broke it, I hear, "Broke, no work." and I am left to try to figure out what is wrong with it because they can't (or won't) tell me in English what the problem is. Most of them are lazy and would have me fix all the problems with their equipment because they refuse to keep it clean, do any general maintainence or even care what happens to it. I don't have a misguided respect for hispanics. I have not, nor will I fall into the trap of believing that they are all wonderful, hard-working people. I see first hand the scum that they are. I cannot be convinced otherwise.
OK--Here you're changing the question. I thought you wanted to know would they fight to defend America. Now you're asking should they have to to defend America. Give me an example of the sort of defense situation you're thinking and then wait for me to answer the question before coming to conclusions about what I think. OK? Fair?
Some 20,000 people compared to the estimated 10 million illegals. I am so unimpressed by these numbers.
You're trying to compare 20,000 people who have legal immigrant status and are eligible to and are serving in the military with 10 million people who are barred from serving in the military. This is like saying that out of all the people under the age of 19 in this country, you're unimpressed by the number of 13 year olds who are serving in the military. It's neither a fair nor meaningful comparison. You aren't giving consideration to the numbers of people in that 10 million who would serve in the military if given the opportunity, nor consideration to the numbers who would like to but cannot because they don't meet other basic eligibilty requirements such as having a high school diploma (correct me if I'm wrong about this now being a reqirement.)
That was sixty years ago. Doesn't count when talking about amnesty today.
The Pearl Harbor example wasn't given in support of anmesty. It was given as an historical example of Mexicans willing to defend America...or, probably more precisely, willing to defend North America and was quite apropo to your hypotheical scenario of the United States being invaded by some unknown foreign source, presumably from another continent. ;)
NOt inconsistent at all. I am still talking about illegals.
You were talking about illegals sending money back to Mexico (while still residing in the US and spending at least some of the money they earn here in this country). I used the expatriate community who earned their money in the US & Canada as an example of a group of people who earned their money in the US & Canada & who are now making nearly all of their current expenditures in Mexico. WE were talking about MONEY and where it is being spent.
It is possible to both not want them here and be disgusted by the fact that they show respect for the country that supports them while they are committing their crime of illegal invastio.
We mostly agree on this point although I don't consider the mere fact of illegal entry in & of itself to be a manisfestation of disrespect to the degree that you do. (which is the word you I think you meant to type.
You make me uncomfortable by your blatant disregard for the law and the sovereign right of America to protect its borders. You would have them come here unabated. That makes me uncomfortable. I know you state to the contrary but I no longer believe you.
NO, I would not have them come here unabated. America most certainly has the right to protect its borders. Moreover, I think it is the duty of the federal government to protect the borders & I am very angry that such a lousy job is being done. The reality of the situation is that the borders are being flooded w/ people we know nothing about & who we have no means of tracking. I'm arguing for steps to do more about that. I'm arguing for giving some sort of legal status to workers. I'm against automatically confering citizenship status to babies born in this country to illegal parents--it's these new citizen babies/ children who are the recipients of a large share of the welfare largesse going to the illegal community. I believe that it is impossible to absolutely stop the entry of illegal aliens across our southern border, but that it is possible to change some of the policies that entice them across the border.
Which is exactly my point. No one cares if those others are sent back home. It's only the hispanics that get the attention. Why?
Damned good question. For example, most of the illegals who were rounded up who were working for the contractor cleaning Wal-Marts were eastern Europeans. I was flabberghasted at the numbers of people who assumed that the illegals were Hispanics or just launched into diatribes about Mexicans & ignored what should have been a real eye-opener about illegal aliens from waaaaaay across the ocean. I want to know lots more about how they got here, who facilitated it, what countries they passed thru....
Most of them are lazy and would have me fix all the problems with their equipment because they refuse to keep it clean, do any general maintainence or even care what happens to it.
That sounds exactly like the crew at McDonald's where my son worked this past summer & there wasn't a Hispanic (all were Caucasion) amongst them. True, most were teenagers, but their behavior on that job sure as hell isn't a good indication of their future performance. More than that, some of them were actually destructive--slices of cheese into the toaster, using the ketchup gun in a game of paintball on the line. A young (20 or so) assistant manager (Caucasion) who made repeated sexually inappropriate remarks about the mothers of the male teenagers who were working there (and laughed about the ketchup gun incident while it was happening in his presence.)
Obviously, many of those you describe have little or no mechanical sense. But you have to keep in mind that these people come here from a third world country and haven't had nearly the degree of exposure to machinery that many Americans here do. And it's just a fact that no matter how much exposure people have, some of them are total mechanical idiots. My 13 YO son can barely figure out which end of the cord goes into the outlet, but I need to be well rested if I plan to engage him in a game of mental math.
Lazy, incompetent, unwilling to learn lukewarm bodies should be fired and replaced. Here is a situation where the idea of work permits for foreign workers figures into the equation. Work permits should hinge on the ability to perform & hold down a job.