[mercy]

We gotta do something!

It's crazy to think we can just fence them out. Our economy needs their labor like we need oil from the ME. The situation as it now stands is ridiculous and immoral from every aspect.

Those who just hate illegals are irrational. We cannot function without them. If you think otherwise you are just completely uninformed. Go to the factories and jobsites and take a good long look. Step back in the kitchen of nearly every restaurant. Look at your gardener.

[Pa' fuera]

Those who just hate illegals are irrational. We cannot function without them. If you think otherwise you are just completely uninformed. Go to the factories and jobsites and take a good long look. Step back in the kitchen of nearly every restaurant. Look at your gardener.

legalizing them is not the answer. It is a reward and an incentive to lawbreakers. If they insist on a reward for their hard labor - well, that's what wages are for. If they feel undercompensated or discriminated against, they can go back to Mexico and try their luck there.

A guest worker program would only create a demand for new illegals, since the guest workers would command a higher wage and greater protections and benefits. What it boils down to is that a "true" illegal would be more marketable than a worker who signs up for and who is under the restrictions of the guest worker program.

[glockmeister40]

... We cannot function without them. If you think otherwise you are just completely uninformed. Go to the factories and jobsites and take a good long look. Step back in the kitchen of nearly every restaurant. Look at your gardener.

Your statement is completely full of crap. We could function very well without them. Take a GOOD LONG LOOK at your income tax and property tax. How much money do we spend subsidizing them? How many illegal aliens are in prison? How much drug trafficking do they do? I look at the police reports daily in my local newspaper - every day the arrest reports list mexican names. I live over 1200 miles from the mexican border.

We can find US citizens who will garden, cook and housekeep. OUR citizens are part of our country. Illegal aliens are not. They have no intention of ever being part of us. Right after 9/11, hundreds of thousands of them high-tailed it back across the border.

I don't hate them. They are putting an enormous strain on our social system. I can cook, garden and housekeep for myself. I'll afford more expensive vegtables and fruit. Our social support system is for citizens only.

[usadave]

Those who just hate illegals are irrational. We cannot function without them. If you think otherwise you are just completely uninformed.

Sorry, but I've always hated lawbreakers, both the home-grown kind and the foreign kind. And yes we can function without "them". To believe that we can't is to be completely ignorant.

[JimRed]

Our economy needs their labor like we need oil from the ME.

Drilling without nonsensical restrictions and new non-petroleum technologies will eventually do away with our need for ME oil. If we start a guest worker program in Mexico or any other third world country we will be able to replace all we send back, and more with people who apply lawfully. If an employer has illegals he wants to keep, let him send them back to go through the process, like everyone else.

[Polybius]

We cannot function without them. ..... Look at your gardener.

Are you calling my wife an illegal alien?

[Dan Evans]

Our economy needs their labor like we need oil from the ME.

America was able to function before we were invaded with illegals and we can do it again. There are plenty of folks in this country who are willing to do menial labor.

You say we need more illegals, I say we need more Hutterites:

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/987460/posts

 

[FITZ]

We gotta do something!

Why? What does doing something suddenly take on such great importance? There are legal work visas already in place --- there is plenty --- far more than needed, legal immigration that these people chose to ignore. They chose the illegal route --- it's working out quite well for them when they've got over a billion dollars a month they can send back to Mexico --- plus many already receive plenty of taxpayer assistance and programs right now --- without being legal.

In reality once they're handed legality, they can no longer work those below minimum wage jobs they supposedly came to do ---- which is only true of some --- what then? Their employers would need to import more illegals to do the hard work at low wages that Americans and legals don't want or need to do. They aren't going to die if they are left illegal --- plus when they cause trouble, they're easier to deport that way.

[FreeFireBorderZone]

Saying we can't manage without illegals is rubbish. Just how did society function 50 years ago. Americans can wash their own cars,clean their homes, and mow their own lawns.If they did so perhaps obessity would no longer be the number one killer. exporting jobs and simultaneously importing labour is destroying our society. Failure to defend our borders ,language and culture renders our history traditions and sovereignity irrelevant.

[Exton1]

Your comments are raciest. You sound like a Southern Slave owner before the Civil War. All the jobs done by illegals were done by honest law abiding citizens as little as 5 years ago. The only thing that has changed is that illegals will work for wages that Americans can’t afford to work for. This is also a result of all the taxes and regulations and workers comp that legal Americans have to pay for. With less taxes and regulations and other fees Americans would take these jobs.

[SUSSA]

It's crazy to think we can just fence them out. Our economy needs their labor like we need oil from the ME. The situation as it now stands is ridiculous and immoral from every aspect.

Those who just hate illegals are irrational. We cannot function without them. If you think otherwise you are just completely uninformed. Go to the factories and jobsites and take a good long look. Step back in the kitchen of nearly every restaurant. Look at your gardener.
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You have fallen for the outright lies advanced by the pro-criminal leftists and one world anti-sovereignty elitists. The jobs you name were all being done before the 12 million criminals came here and took them away from Americans.

By artificially inflating the labor pool, some people get cheap labor but the society subsidizes them in several ways. First the general population is forced to provide social services to the displaced workers who used to do those jobs. Blacks and poor whites are the hardest hit, and the welfare rolls increase as the criminals displace them.

Secondly, the general population pays for social services for the criminals who are not willing to pay their own way. We provide them with healthcare, admission to government schools, translation services because they are too lazy to even learn English, police and fire protection etc. All this cost money and is paid by citizens and legal residents.

Thirdly, these criminals bring third world diseases into the country that legal immigrants do not bring, because people with these diseases are excluded from entering the country legally. The whole society pays as these diseases are spread from the criminals to the unsuspecting non-criminal population.

Fourthly, we pay because these criminals commit other crimes as well as immigration crimes. Criminal aliens commit non-immigration crimes at roughly twice the rate as natives and three times the rate of non-criminal immigrants. This is a tremendous drain on society.

We also pay as respect for the rule of law degenerates. Poor, young, blacks, whites, and other natives displaced by criminals, turn to crime to supplement their meager income from government handouts. They see criminals taking the jobs that provided a living for their parents and grandparents and see no reason why they should obey the law when aliens break it with no consequence.

The criminal aliens also vote for bigger government, socialism and special privileges for themselves. They vote against conservatives and replace them with far left socialists as they did in Orange county CA. Bob Dornan was voted out of office by criminal aliens and replaced with a leftist who supports the criminals.

We need our elected and appointed officials to do their jobs, like they swear to do, and enforce the laws. Prosecute the criminal aliens as well as the people who illegally hire them, prosecute those who harbor them, and prosecute those who conspire to aid them in their criminal activity. The “Justice” Department should also use the RICCO laws to confiscate the possessions of the criminals who profit from hiring criminal aliens.

RICCO forfeiture laws should be used to confiscate Tyson Foods, Inc’s and Wal-Mart, Inc’s assets. They should also be used to confiscate the homes, bank accounts, etc., of smaller businesses and homeowners who hire the criminals to work around the house.

Two or three cases where companies and individuals lose everything because they hire criminal aliens and people would stop doing it. Then all we have to do is cut off social services for the criminal aliens and the problem would be solved. If they can’t get social services and can’t work they will go home in a hurry.

The U.S. isn’t supposed to be a cesspool where countries dump their criminals. It’s a privilege to come here, or at least it used to be. We should only accept the best, the brightest and the most law-abiding applicants. Criminals need to stay out.

[elli1]

FWIW, I agree with you, mercy.

[raybbr]

Those who just hate illegals are irrational. We cannot function without them. If you think otherwise you are just completely uninformed. Go to the factories and jobsites and take a good long look. Step back in the kitchen of nearly every restaurant. Look at your gardener.

If this totally inane statement were true, then how did we become the greatest industrial nation on earth before all these wonderful illegals came here?

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

"Our economy needs their labor..."

"We cannot function without them..."

Links, sources, proof?

Take your time.

[Penner]

Our economy needs their labor like we need oil from the ME.

Let me guess... to do the jobs that Americans won't do!

Those who just hate illegals are irrational. We cannot function without them. If you think otherwise you are just completely uninformed.

You are delusional. How then did America function prior to the 1990's?