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When Lincoln Returned to Richmond
The Weekly Standard ^
| 12/29/03
| Andrew Ferguson
Posted on 12/24/2003 10:30:18 AM PST by Grand Old Partisan
Abraham Lincoln, with his son Tad in tow, walked around Richmond, Virginia, one day 138 years ago, and if you try to retrace their steps today you won't see much that they saw, which shouldn't be a surprise, of course. The street grid is the same, though, and if you're in the right mood and know what to look for, the lineaments of the earlier city begin to surface, like the outline of a scuttled old scow rising through the shallows of a pond. Among the tangle of freeway interchanges and office buildings you'll come across an overgrown park or a line of red-brick townhouses, an unlikely old belltower or a few churches scattered from block to block, dating to the decades before the Civil War and still giving off vibrations from long ago.
TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: civilwar; confederacy; confederates; dixie; lincoln; richmond
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To: Aurelius; x; Grand Old Partisan; WhiskeyPapa
Merry Christmas You forgot the </sarcasm> tag.
To: billbears
only the USA would erect a memorial in the national capitol to a WAR CRIMINAL & TYRANT!
free dixie,sw
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posted on
12/26/2003 8:57:45 AM PST
by
stand watie
(Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. ,T. Jefferson)
To: stand watie
This statue of President Lincoln is in Richmond, which is not the national capital.
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posted on
12/26/2003 1:21:30 PM PST
by
Grand Old Partisan
(You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
To: stand watie
only the USA would erect a memorial in the national capitol to a WAR CRIMINAL & TYRANT! We didn't have much choice in the matter. No restrictions were placed on who the states could choose for Statuary Hall and Mississippi went and sent the statue of Jefferson Davis.
To: Grand Old Partisan
If the REALLY swore to uphaold and defend the Constitution of the United States, he wouldn't have been INVENTING Constitutional authority he DIDN'T have.
NOWHERE in the Constitution does it state "The Federal Government shall have the power to prevent secession".
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posted on
12/26/2003 2:51:18 PM PST
by
ZULU
To: ZULU
If the legislature of your state voted for secession, would you shoot U.S. troops who tried to keep the state in the U.S.?
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posted on
12/26/2003 2:55:47 PM PST
by
Grand Old Partisan
(You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
To: Grand Old Partisan
Not today.
This is 2003. But in 1860, things were different.
On the other hand, if a "President" declared a "National Emergency", suspended elections, and suspended the Bill of Rights, what would any of do? (Not to imply that such a scenario was in any way analgous to 1860.)
The Civil War, Lincoln, Lee and the concept of seccesion are troubling to the modern mind. Slavery was a great evil, inconsistent with the principles upon which this Nation was founded, as are affirmative action, Judges legislating from the bench, an army of illegal aliens violating our borders evey night, a central governmnet which refuses to identify the objects of terroristci assault upon the nation (Islamic immigrants and their mosques and schools), the atheization of America, a holocaust of slaughtered babies, disarming a free people, etc.
Times today are even MORE troubling than back in 1860.
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posted on
12/26/2003 7:14:31 PM PST
by
ZULU
To: KC_Conspirator
I would assume, in deference to a humanity I hope exists in all, that your comments are based on ignorance fed by public schools, not understanding based in study. I suggest dropping a few dollars on 'The Real Lincoln', to see the origin of the consolidated democracy that currently plunders over two trillion dollars per annum and considers within it's power to dictate what vegetables are grown in your backyard.
To: Grand Old Partisan
Seven rebel state governments seceded -- thus attenpting to destroy the UNITED States of America -- before Lincoln became President.
Um, just curious, but that would have left how many states?
If there were more than one, wouldn't THEY have still been "United"?
Curious.
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posted on
12/27/2003 12:26:13 PM PST
by
tet68
To: Grand Old Partisan
Seven rebel state governments seceded -- thus attenpting to destroy the UNITED States of America -- before Lincoln became President.So you disagree with the Declaration of Independence?
To: Grand Old Partisan
If the legislature of your state voted for secession, would you shoot U.S. troops who tried to keep the state in the U.S.?With a smile on my face. I'd gladly take arms to throw off the shackles of this consolidated democracy that is intent on plundering one group of citizens in order to buy the votes of another.
Would you join an army to conquer another set of people who had expressed through their duly elected legislature a desire to set their own laws? In short, would you join an army to bury the very principle of the Declaration of Independence?
To: Grand Old Partisan
i was talking about the so-called "lincoln memorial" in DC.
free dixie,sw
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posted on
12/27/2003 2:48:58 PM PST
by
stand watie
(Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. ,T. Jefferson)
To: Gunslingr3
Sorry, I won't waste my money or my time on that tripe.
To: KC_Conspirator
Sorry, I won't waste my money or my time on that tripe.Then content yourself with the level of ignorance your government schools sought to instill in you. Your willful ignorance highlights why we failed to live up to Franklin's warning, and keep the Republic they created. We've traded it for myths and a consolidated democracy that trades liberty for government control. Knowledge and understanding are attainable, but they require effort.
To: Gunslingr3
"With a smile on my face. I'd gladly take arms to throw off the shackles of this consolidated democracy"
Looks like al-Queda has a new recruit!
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posted on
12/28/2003 3:05:36 PM PST
by
Grand Old Partisan
(You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
To: Grand Old Partisan
Looks like al-Queda has a new recruit!No, just an American tired of working so many months out of the year for politicians to rob me and bribe other citizens for their vote with the proceeds. How you derive support for theocracy out of that is up to you to explain.
To: Gunslingr3
That is one insult too many. This country has dealt with the horrendous issue of slavery since its founding and it has been noted that freedom while still allowing slavery is hypocritical in the worst form. Yet you proclaim rebellion in the name of freedom for slavery.
Now go starch your sheets.
To: KC_Conspirator
That is one insult too many.I doubt it is enough to provoke you out of your comfortable delusions and inspire you to examine the facts.
This country has dealt with the horrendous issue of slavery since its founding and it has been noted that freedom while still allowing slavery is hypocritical in the worst form.
Lincoln did not go to war to end slavery. He said so, before and during the fact. Again, familiarity with the facts would greatly aid your understanding. The hypocrit is your hero.
Yet you proclaim rebellion in the name of freedom for slavery.
No, I proclaim secession is a right of any people. It is the very heart of the Declaration of Independence which you seem intent on forgetting.
As in previous secession conferences of American history, the issue was trade and tariffs (whether examing the Hartford Convention - when northern states examined the question of secession, or the Abominable tariffs - when South Carolina and others examined it again). The people of the South were sick of seeing 80% of federal revenue being generated by tariffs on the South's trade whilst the money was expended on the Whig/Republican program of 'internal improvements' (which, if you bother to educate yourself you'd learn States across the Union had been outlawing in their own constitutions because of disasterous plundering by politicians) in the North. The passage of the Morrill Tarriff, combined with the election of the Republican Lincoln, convinced the South no relief from the federal plunder was in sight. So they decided to leave the Union. Lincoln decided they would be conquered, burned and plundered instead. The Federal Republic was dead, replaced with a national, consolidated democracy which recognizes almost no limit to its powers.
To: Gunslingr3
I can't make you see the elephant in your own living room, so this is pointless.
To: KC_Conspirator
I can't make you see the elephant in your own living room, so this is pointless.The beautiful thing about ignorance is it needn't be permanent. I encourage you to read more than a government high school text account of the factors contributing to Lincoln's decision to conquer the South.
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