Drudge: WashPost to report US/Russian Team Seize 37-lbs of Highly Enriched Uranium ...

Me too, if you don't mind. My curiosity has gotten the better of me.

"Given 110 pounds of HEU, I'd bet on western-trained engineers working for AQ to be able to at least duplicate a Hiroshima-type gun barrel device. It ain't rocket science."

I was trying to make the point that it wasn't *trivial*, not that it was impossible.

Yes, if you've got Western-trained atomic scientists, fully equipped metallurgy labs, and HEU running out the wazoo, along with large amounts of time and money, then yes, it can be done.

But the NAZI's didn't manage to do it, and they were far more motivated to come up with a device that could stop their losing war than are the terrorists of today who only want to make an ego splash.

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Would you like it in ounces?

Obtain some of those radiation pills.

Potassium iodide.

But the NAZI's didn't manage to do it, and they were far more motivated

The Nazis failed because their core research was a vain attempt to prove that a Jew (Einstein) couldn't possibly be right. Bottom line: it was Einstein's way or the highway. The Nazi ideology took the highway.

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Well, since you seem to have some experience in these matters, here's a link to the full story: US-Russia Team Seizes Uranium at Bulgaria Plant. From the article: 37 lbs, 36% enriched.

Doesn't seem like bomb material to me. Perfect terrorist material, though. Everyone has been brought up to believe that any amount of radiation is lethal, so you blow this stuff in an a standard explosion in the middle of Manhattan and people will be afraid to go there for years.

"The bullet counterpart to complement the concave sphere is cast in the same die as was used for the collector. Perfect fit. Put 'em together. Supercritical mass...and one really bad day."

Put them together either too fast or too slow and you'll just get a fizzle, not a BOOM. Likewise, if the shapes aren't precise, your odds for a fizzle increase, and shaping Uranium into a proper core is non-trivial.

Nor can your gun-type barrel permit the gasses to break away a piece of the detonator bullet/core, or even erode any sizable part of the core, lest that radioactive material reach the intended center of the globe/donut far enough in advance to fizzle your device.

If you've ever paid close attention to a firearm firing on the range, you've probably noticed that some gasses actually leave the barrel *prior* to the bullet exiting your rifle. With an open lead ball, some tiny part of that sort of bullet is actually eroded externally into lead gas that likewise escapes your muzzle-loader, for instance, prior to the bullet itself escaping.

Now picture that same erosion occurring with an open Uranium or Deuterium bullet, sending radioactive gasses into your core prior to the critical mass being assembled.

These are non-trivial issues, and they only scratch the surface of the problems faced by getting a working nuke to become operational and reliable.

Yes, it can be done, and having the fissionable material is a big step toward getting there, but the rest of the equation is still non-trivial is my point.

All there is on Drudge so far. Yikes! Real HEU would make a nasty dirty bomb.

No. HEU is NOT very radioactive. For the dirty bomb, you need the highly radioactive nuclides out of a reactor.

The First Pile
By Corbin Allardice and Edward R. Trapnell
On December 2, 1942, man first initiated a self-sustaining nuclear chain reaction, and controlled it.

Beneath the West Stands of Stagg Field¹, Chicago, late in the afternoon of that day, a small group of scientists witnessed the advent of a new era in science. History was made in what had been a squash-rackets court.

Precisely at 3:25 p.m.,² Chicago time, scientist George Weil withdrew the cadmium-plated control rod and by his action man unleashed and controlled the energy of the atom.

As those who witnessed the experiment became aware of what had happened, smiles spread over their faces and a quiet ripple of applause could be hear. It was a tribute to Enrico Fermi, Nobel Prize winner, to whom, more than to any other person, the success of the experiment was due.

Fermi, born in Rome, Italy, on September 29, 1901, had been working with uranium for many years. In 1934 he bombarded uranium with neutrons and produced what appeared to be element 93 (uranium is element 92) and element 94. However, after closer examination it seemed as if nature had gone wild; several other elements were present, but none could be fitted into the periodic table near uranium where Fermi knew they should have fitted if they had been the transuranic elements 92 and 94. It was not until five years later that anyone, Fermi included, realized he had actually caused fission of the uranium and that these unexplained elements belonged back in the middle part of the periodic table.

Fermi was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1938 for his work on transuranic elements. He and his family went to Sweden to receive the prize. The Italian Fascist press severely criticized him for not wearing a Fascist uniform and failing to give the Fascist salute when he received the award. The Fermis never returned to Italy.

From Sweden, having taken most of his personal possessions with him, Fermi proceeded to London and thence to America where he has remained ever since. ³

The modern Italian explorer of the unknown was in Chicago that cold December day in 1942. An outsider looking into the squash court where Fermi was working would have been greeted by a strange sight. In the center of the 30- by 60-foot room, shrouded on all but one side by a gray balloon cloth envelope, was a pile of black bricks and wooden timbers, square at the bottom and a flattened sphere on top. Up to half of its height, its sides were straight. The top half was domed, like a beehive. During the construction of this crude appearing but complex pile (the name which has since been applied to all such devices) the standing joke among the scientists working on it was: "If people could see what we're doing with a million-and-a-half of their dollars, they'd think we are crazy. If they knew why we are doing it, they'd know we are."

In relation to the fabulous atomic bomb program, of which the Chicago Pile experiment was a key part, the successful result reported on December 2nd formed one more piece for the jigsaw puzzle which was atomic energy. Confirmation of the chain reactor studies was an inspiration to the leaders of the bomb project, and reassuring at the same time, because the Army's Manhattan Engineer District had moved ahead on many fronts. Contract negotiations were under way to build production-scale chain reactors, land had been acquired at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, and millions of dollars had been obligated.

Three years before the December 2nd experiment, it had been discovered that when an atom of uranium was bombarded by neutrons, the uranium atom sometimes was split, or fissioned. Later, it had been found that when an atom of uranium fissioned, additional neurons were emitted and became available for further reaction with other uranium atoms. These facts implied the possibility of a chain reaction, similar in certain respects to the reaction which is the source of the sun's energy. The facts further indicated that if a sufficient quantity of uranium could be brought together under the proper conditions, a self-sustaining chain reaction would result. This quantity of uranium necessary for a chain reaction under given conditions is known as the critical mass, or more commonly, the "critical size" of the particular pile.

For three years the problem of a self-sustaining chain reaction had been assiduously studied. Nearly a year after Pearl Harbor, a pile of critical size was finally constructed. It worked. A self-sustaining nuclear chain reaction was a reality.

Construction of the Pile
Construction of the main pile at Chicago started in November. The project gained momentum, with machining of the graphite blocks, pressing of the uranium oxide pellets, and the design of instruments. Fermi's two "construction" crews, one under Zinn and the other under Anderson, worked almost around the clock. V.C. Wilson headed up the instrument work.
Original estimates as to the critical size of the pile were pessimistic. As a further precaution, it was decided to enclose the pile in a balloon cloth bag which could be evacuated to remove the neutron-capturing air.

This balloon cloth bag was constructed by Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company. Specialists in designing gasbags for lighter-than-air craft, the company's engineers were a bit puzzled about the aerodynamics of a square balloon. Security regulations forbade informing Goodyear of the purpose of the envelope and so the Army's new square balloon was the butt of much joking.

The bag was hung with one side left open; in the center of the floor a circular layer of graphic bricks was placed. This and each succeeding layer of the pile was braced by a wooden frame. Alternate layers contained the uranium. By this layer-on-layer construction a roughly spherical pile of uranium and graphite was formed.

Facilities for the machining of graphite bricks were installed in the West Stands. Week after week this shop turned out graphite bricks. This work was done under the direction of Zinn's group, by skilled mechanics led by millwright August Knuth. In October, Anderson and his associates joined Zinn's men.

Describing this phase of the work, Albert Wattenberg, one of Zinn's group, said" "We found out how coal miners feel. After eight hours of machining graphite, we looked as we were made up for a minstrel. One shower would remove only the surface graphite dust. About a half-hour after the first shower the dust in the pores of your skin would start oozing. Walking around the room where we cut graphite was like walking on a dance floor. Graphite is a dry lubricant, you know, and the cement floor covered with graphite dust was slippery."

Before the structure was half complete, measurements indicated that the critical size at which the pile would become self-sustaining was somewhat less than had been anticipated in the design.

Computations Forecast Success
Day after day the pile grew toward its final shape. And as the size of the pile increased, so did the nervous tension of the men working on it. Logically and scientifically they knew this pile would become self-sustaining. It had to. All the measurements indicated that it would. But still the demonstration had to be made. As the eagerly awaited moment drew nearer, the scientists gave greater and greater attention to details, the accuracy of measurements, and exactness of their construction work.
Guiding the entire pile construction and design was the nimble-brained Fermi, whose associated described him as "completed self-confident but wholly without conceit."

So exact were Fermi's calculations, based on the measurements taken from the partially finished pile, that days before its completion and demonstration on December 2, he was able to predict almost to the exact brick the point at which the reactor would become self-sustaining.

But with all their care and confidence, few in the group knew the extent of the heavy bets being placed on their success. In Washington, the Manhattan District had proceeded with negotiations with. I duPont de Nemours and Company to design, build, and operate a plant based on the principles of the then unproved Chicago pile. The $350,000,000 Hanford Engineer Works10 at Pasco, Washington, was to be the result.

At Chicago during the early afternoon of December 1st, tests indicated that critical size was rapidly being approached. At 4:00 p.m. Zinn's group was relieved the men working under Anderson. Shortly afterwards, the last layer of graphite and uranium bricks was placed on the pile. Zinn, who remained, and Anderson made several measurements of the activity within the pile. They were certain that when the control rods were withdrawn, the pile would become self-sustaining. Both had agreed, however, that should measurements indicate the reaction would become self-sustaining when the rods were withdrawn, they would not start the pile operating until Fermi and the rest of the group could be present. Consequently, the control rods were locked and further work was postponed until the following day.

That night the word was passed to the men who had worked on the pile that the trail run was due the next morning.

Assembly for the Test
About 8:30 on the morning of Wednesday, December 2nd, the group began to assemble in the squash court.
At the north end of the squash court was a balcony about ten feet above the floor of the court. Fermi, Zinn, Anderson, and Compton were grouped around instruments at the east end of the balcony. The remainder of the observers crowded the little balcony. R. G. Nobles, one of the young scientists who worked on the pile, put it this way: "The control cabinet was surrounded by the "big wheels"; the "little wheels" had to stand back."

On the floor of the squash court, just beneath the balcony, stood George Weil, whose duty it was to handle the final control rods. In the pile were three sets of control rods. One set was automatic and could be controlled from the balcony. Another was an emergency safety rod. Attached to one of this rod was a rope running through the pile and weighted heavily on the opposite end. The rod was withdrawn from the pile and tied by another rope to the balcony. Hilberry was ready to cut this rope with an axe should something unexpected happen, or in case the automatic safety rods failed. The third rod, operated by Weil, was the one which actually held the reaction in check until withdrawn the proper distance.

Since this demonstration was new and different from anything ever done before, complete reliance was not placed on mechanically operated control rods. Therefore, a "liquid-control squad," composed of Harold Lichtenberger, W. Nyer, and A. C. Graves, stood on a platform above the pile. They were prepared to flood the pile with cadmium-salt solution in case of mechanical failure of the control rods.

Each group rehearsed its part of the experiment.

At 9:45 Fermi ordered the electrically operated control rods withdrawn. The man at the controls threw the switch to withdraw them. A small motor whined. All eyes watched the lights which indicated the rod's position.

But quickly, the balcony group turned to watch the counters, whose clicking stepped up after the rods were out. The indicators of these counters resembled the face of a clock, with "hands" to indicate neutron clock. Nearby was a recorder, whose quivering pen traced the neutron activity within the pile.

Shortly after ten o¹clock, Fermi ordered the emergency rod, called "Zip," pulled out and tied.

"Zip out," said Fermi. Zinn withdrew "Zip" by hand and tied it to the balcony rail. Weil stood ready by the "vernier" control rod which was marked to show the number of feet and inches which remained within the pile.

At 10:37 Fermi, without taking his eyes off the instruments, said quietly:

"Pull it to 13 feet, George." The counters clicked faster. The graph pen moved up. All the instruments were studied, and computations were made.

"This is not it," said Fermi. "The trace will go to this point and level off." He indicated a spot on the graph. In a few minutes the pen came to the indicated point and did not go above that point. Seven minutes later Fermi ordered the rod out another foot.

Again the counters stepped up their clicking, the graph pen edged upwards. But the clicking was irregular. Soon it leveled off, as did the thin line of the pen. The pile was not self-sustaining --yet.

At eleven o'clock, the rod came out another six inches; the result was the same: an increase in rate, followed by the leveling off.

Fifteen minutes later, the rod was further withdrawn and at 11:25 was moved again. Each time the counters speeded up, the pen climbed a few points. Fermi predicted correctly every movement of the indicators. He knew the time was near. He wanted to check everything again. The automatic control rod was reinserted without waiting for its automatic feature to operate. The graph line took a drop, the counters slowed abruptly.

At 11:35, the automatic safety rod was withdrawn and set. The control rod was adjusted and "Zip" was withdrawn. Up went the counters, clicking, clicking, faster and faster. It was the clickety-click of a fast train over the rails. The graph pen started to climb. Tensely, the little group watched, and waited, entranced by the climbing needle.

Whrrrump! As if by a thunder clap, the spell was broken. Every man froze--then breathed a sigh of relief when he realized the automatic rod had slammed home. The safety point at which the rod operated automatically had been set too low.

"I'm hungry," said Fermi. "Let's go to lunch."

Time Out for Lunch
Perhaps, like a great coach, Fermi knew when his men needed a "break."
It was a strange "between halves" respite. They got no pep talk. They talked about everything else but the "game." The redoubtable Fermi, who never says much, had even less to say. But he appeared supremely confident. His "team" was back on the squash court at 2:00 p.m. Twenty minutes later, the automatic rod was reset and Weil stood ready at the control rod.

"All right, George," called Fermi, and Weil moved the rod to a predetermined point. The spectators resumed their watching and waiting, watching the counters spin, watching the graph, waiting for the settling down and computing the rate of rise of reaction from the indicators.

At 2:50 the control rod came out another foot. The counters nearly jammed, the pen headed off the graph paper. But this was not it. Counting ratios and the graph scale had to be changed.

"Move it six inches," said Fermi at 3:20. Again the change--but again the leveling off. Five minutes later, Fermi called: "Pull it out another foot."

Weil withdrew the rod.

"This is going to do it," Fermi said to Compton, standing at his side. "Now it will become self-sustaining. The trace will climb and continue to climb. It will not level off."

Fermi computed the rate of rise of the neutron counts over a minute period. He silently, grim-faced, ran through some calculations on his slide rule.

In about a minute he again computed the rate of rise. If the rate was constant and remained so, he would know the reaction was self-sustaining. His fingers operated the slide rule with lightning speed. Characteristically, he turned the rule over and jotted down some figures on its ivory back.

Three minutes later he again computed the rate of rise in neutron count. The group on the balcony had by now crowded in to get an eye on the instruments, those behind craning their necks to be sure they would know the very instant history was made. In the background could be heard Wilcox Overbeck calling out the neutron count over an annunicator system. Leona Marshall (the only girl present), Anderson, and William Sturm were recording the readings from the instruments. By this time the click of the counters was too fast for the human ear. The clickety-click was now a steady brrrr. Fermi, unmoved, unruffled, continued his computations.

The Curve is Exponential
"I couldn't see the instruments," said Weil. "I had to watch Fermi every second, waiting for orders. He face was motionless. His eyes darted from one dial to another. His expression was so calm it was hard to read. But suddenly, his whole face broke into a broad smile."

Fermi closed his slide rule---

"The reaction is self-sustaining," he announced quietly, happily. "The curve is exponential."

The group tensely watched for twenty-eight minutes while the world's first nuclear chain reactor operated.

The upward movement of the pen was leaving a straight line. There was no change in indicate a leveling off. This was it.

"O.K., 'Zip' in," called Fermi to Zinn who controlled that rod. The time was 3:53 p.m. Abruptly, the counters slowed down, the pen slid down across the paper. It was all over.

Man had initiated a self-sustaining nuclear reaction--and then stopped it. He had released the energy of the atom's nucleus and controlled that energy.

Right after Fermi ordered the reaction stopped, the Hungarian-born theoretical physicist Eugene Wigner presented him with a bottle of Chianti wine. All through the experiment Wigner had kept this wine hidden behind his back.

Fermi uncorked the wine bottle and sent out for paper cups so all could drink. He poured a little wine in all the cups, and silently, solemnly, without toasts, the scientists raised the cups to their lips--the Canadian Zinn, the Hungarians Szilard and Wigner, the Italian Fermi, the Americans Compton, Anderson, Hilberry, and a score of others. They drank to success--and to the hope they were the first to succeed.

A small crew was left to straighten up, lock controls, and check all apparatus. As the group filed from the West Stands, one of the guards asked Zinn:

"What's going on, Doctor, something happen in there?"

The guard did not hear the message which Arthur Compton was giving James B. Conant at Harvard, by long-distance telephone. Their code was not prearranged.

"The Italian navigator has landed in the New World," said Compton. "How were the natives?" asked Conant. "Very friendly."

Well, since you seem to have some experience in these matters

Thanks.

Doesn't seem like bomb material to me. Perfect terrorist material, though.

Agreed. If this is to be used in a bomb, it'd be the oft-referenced "dirty bomb" like you mentioned.

Dispersion of the caliber you mention would require an elevated detonation for maximum yield.

Dear God...what a horrible thing all of this is to ponder.

"The Nazis failed because their core research was a vain attempt to prove that a Jew (Einstein) couldn't possibly be right. Bottom line: it was Einstein's way or the highway. The Nazi ideology took the highway."

It was Fermi's way, not Einstein's. Fermi's math was correct. Heisenberg's was not.

But the NAZI's didn't manage to do it, and they were far more motivated to come up with a device that could stop their losing war than are the terrorists of today who only want to make an ego splash.

Much easier to do something once you know somebody else has already done it. That tells you it's possible.

Man, you are hot tonight! I just saw another thread with your comment on "no fellatio"...stop! you're killin' me! ;)

regards,

Put them together either too fast or too slow and you'll just get a fizzle, not a BOOM.

As an aside, which would you find more unnerving: a detonated nuclear bomb...or a dud? If the former, would you volunteer to defuse the latter?

This question was posed to me once, years ago. I'd be interested in your answer.

Was not Fermi's work on a controlled nuclear reaction? The bomb is anything but.

A link to the narrative would have sufficed, no?

Great! Visions of NY Harbor going up in an atomic holocaust. It looks like the Soviets old nukes are the least of our problems. They left nuclear material all over the place unaccounted for.

"As an aside, which would you find more unnerving: a detonated nuclear bomb...or a dud? If the former, would you volunteer to defuse the latter?"

A fizzle would *not* unnerve me. I fully expect to see a terrorist get a fizzle in my lifetime.

Yes, I have no problem volunteering to remove/de-fuse/demil whatever is left of a fizzle. Better me than someone younger, though I would insist upon the appropriate payback being delivered on my behalf. And depending upon how hot the fizzle, I might still be around to deliver some of that aforementioned payback.