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But is any of it factual?

Yea... it's just some mumbo-jumbo. At least a golden idol is something of value.

1 posted on 12/23/2003 4:19:44 AM PST by johnny7
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So, to sum up:

The Gospels are not four duplicate posts, so Christ wasn't real. Christians are stupid. It is not what one believes, but belief itself, that is the problem, so Christianity is as bad as Islam. But since you stupid people DO believe, you HAVE to believe that Jesus would have hated America as much as I do.
41 posted on 12/23/2003 7:38:23 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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Unfortunately, we get these sorts of crap articles every year, with some wise-guy thinking he has (Eureka!) discovered the 'key' to debunking The Bible and Jesus. Well, that debunking has been tried for centuries by a lot smarter people than this clown, and nobody has yet succeeded in blowing holes in the veracity of either.

In the early 21st century, religious fundamentalism has shown itself to be a danger to peace... But most Christians are effectively fundamentalist in their beliefs, with little capacity for critical thought about sources, doctrines, and theology.

This ignoramus is merely trying to tar and feather "fundamentalist" Christians by equating them with Islamics and then "proving" their knuckle-dragging ways by using long-discredited Biblical criticisms.

It pathetic, really.

But, there are some people who don't know any better (including some on this forum) who hang on every word out of hacks like this. It confirms their prejudices and disbeliefs and gives them reason not to investigate further.

46 posted on 12/23/2003 8:40:19 AM PST by Gritty ("This great nation was founded, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ--Patrick Henry)
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I would point Mr. Carroll toward "Evidence that demands a verdict" by Josh McDowell if he is serious about finding the answers to these questions.
51 posted on 12/23/2003 1:04:47 PM PST by sauropod ("If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.")
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How could Jesus be at war with the Jews when he was one?
58 posted on 12/23/2003 5:03:01 PM PST by ladyinred (If all the world's a stage, I want to operate the trap door!)
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OUR CALENDAR assumes that Jesus was born in the year 0

Dude, there's no "year 0". Have you never heard of ordinal versus cardinal numbers? Years are ordinal numbers (not birthdays) - the first year after, the second year before, etc. The year we are in is just abbreviated to 2003. The whole name is "The Two-Thousand and Third Year of Our Lord." Think of it like this: the first year you were on this planet was your first year. You turned 1 at the end of your first year. From when you were 12 months old to 24 months old your were in your second year of life. You turned 2 at the end of your second year. Where was your "zeroth" year? It doesn't exist. It's the same with the calendar. The first year of Jesus on earth was the First Year AD, or as it is abbreviated today AD 1. We are in the 2003rd year of Jesus Christ -- which is abbreviated as 2003 AD. There can be no such thing as the year "0".

This whole confusion over year names has come about because few people anymore have even heard the long form anymore -- it's been shunned by the PC police. Years are ordinal numbers.

68 posted on 12/25/2003 11:22:25 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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On these simple details of time and place, the Gospels of Luke and Matthew do not agree. "If we chose to grant credibility to one," the scholar Paula Fredriksen writes, "it comes at a cost to the other: Both cannot be true."

This is nonsense. This reminds me of the time when scholars like Paula were claiming that there were no such people as the Hittites, that they were fiction, an invention of the writers of the Old Testament. Since then, of course, they have been rediscovered by archeologists and the Old Testament writers vindicated. This has happened time and time again. There is no other collection of ancient books that have been so subjected to such intense scrutiny and deliberate doubt and come out shining as have the books of the New and Old Testaments.
70 posted on 12/25/2003 11:40:18 AM PST by aruanan
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[Where's You're Jesus Now!]

Where is you are Jesus now!
That was a question?

71 posted on 12/25/2003 11:46:40 AM PST by ValerieUSA
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bump for later reading.
78 posted on 12/26/2003 3:24:12 PM PST by Louisiana
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