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For More People in 20's and 30's, Home Is Where the Parents Are
The New York Times ^ | December 22, 2003 | TAMAR LEWIN

Posted on 12/22/2003 1:35:37 AM PST by sarcasm

On the job, James Navarro seems to be a model of mature adulthood. At 30, he is an appellate court lawyer in Brooklyn, working 50 hours a week on research to help judges decide cases.

But look at the rest of his life, and the picture becomes murkier.

Mr. Navarro lives with his parents in Queens. His mother packs lunch for him a few times a week. His bedroom still has his high school baseball trophies and a giant stuffed bunny that was a present from a former girlfriend. On weekends, he plays touch football and goes drinking and clubbing with his two best friends — both about his age, fully employed and living with their parents, too.

"When I was in college, I thought I'd be married by 24 and have a house and kids by 30," Mr. Navarro said. "Now I think the idea of being an emotionally developed male by 24 is ridiculous. I want to get married and have kids someday. But I don't feel any pressure that it has to be soon."

Mr. Navarro is no loser: he is funny, good-looking, charming — and typical of his generation's slowed-down approach to adulthood. To some extent, the data tells the story. Nearly all the traditional markers of adulthood, including marrying, getting a college degree and moving out of the family home, are occurring later than they did a generation ago.

The shape of life for those between 18 and 34 has changed so profoundly that many social scientists now think of those years as a new life stage, "transitional adulthood" — just as, a century ago, they recognized adolescence as a life stage separating childhood from adulthood.

"There used to be a societal expectation that people in their early 20's would have finished their schooling, set up a household, gotten married and started their careers," said Frank F. Furstenberg Jr., a sociology professor at the University of Pennsylvania. "But now that's the exception rather than the norm. Ask most people in their 20's whether they're adults and you get a nervous laugh. They're not sure."

Sociologists say there are several indicators of this state of mind. Nationwide, the median age of first marriage, which hovered around 21 for women and 23 for men from the 1940's to the 1970's, has risen steadily since to 25 for women and 27 for men.

Education takes longer. Only about a third of those who go straight from high school to four-year residential colleges graduate four years later. With so many young people taking time out to make money or change direction, most education experts now use six-year graduation rates as their benchmarks.

Perhaps the most striking change, though, has been in the proportion of young adults nationwide who live with their parents. To be sure, the numbers remain small — about 14 percent. Nonetheless, between 1970 and 2000, the most recent census, the percentage of 24- to 34-year-olds living with parents or grandparents increased by 50 percent. During the boom years of the 90's, the trend reversed slightly among those in their 20's but held steady among those in their 30's.

The Census Bureau's Current Population Survey shows that the numbers are on the rise again. The trend is most visible in New York — 30 percent of the New York-Northeastern New Jersey area's 22- to 31-year-olds live with their parents — followed by Los Angeles and other large, expensive cities.

The changes raise many policy concerns, chief among them that most American institutions are still built around the idea that people in their 20's are fully autonomous. Young adults coming out of the foster care system, or the juvenile justice system, get no continuing support. Health insurance cuts off, even for 20-somethings in affluent families.

Then, too, the longer transition to adulthood has striking implications for parenthood.

"Parenting used to be thought of as a life stage of about 18 years," said Robert Schoeni, a professor at the University of Michigan who works at its Institute for Social Research. "If it means continuing support for 30 or even 34 years, that's not always comfortable for parents who were raised under very different conditions and were expected to be on their own much earlier."

In part, Professor Furstenberg and others say, the longer transition to adulthood reflects an economy in which most jobs that pay enough to support middle-class life require years of advanced education. For most young people, that means years of semiautonomy, in which they piece together loans, part-time jobs and whatever money their families can provide. Many spend their 20's and early 30's shuttling between college and work, professional school and travel, community service and internships, never earning enough to settle down, marry and raise a child.

Nancy Dye, president of Oberlin College, said that whereas most graduates used to go straight on to graduate school, having chosen at least a preliminary career path, many now stick around, uncertain of their direction. A few years ago, she said, "students came up with a new term, F.T.L. — failure to launch."

In interviews with dozens of 20-somethings, most say they share a sense that there is no right time to have completed their education, lived on their own or gotten married, that such fixed expectations have no place in their lives. And many see it as beneficial to step slowly and gradually into adult life.

"I think it's great, and really important, to take time to date and travel and hang out with your friends," said Elisabeth Levy, 28, a catering sales manager at a private club in Midtown Manhattan. "This way, when you do finally settle down, you're really ready, and you don't wake up at 33, married with two kids and a house, and trapped, like `How did this happen?' and `What did I do with my life?' "

Those living at home, even if employed in good jobs, often describe their arrangements as sensible and mature, in that instead of throwing away money on rent, they are saving money toward their future. And if, meanwhile, they are back in their childhood bedrooms, working at low-paying jobs to save enough to continue their educations or buy homes, they say, that is no tragedy.

For many, the 20's are a floating, flexible, exploratory time.

"For the last few years, my life has been so up in the air," said Jennie Schneier, 24, who works part time in public radio. "Several of my friends have started applying to grad schools. One is applying to three different types of grad school — law, business and photography — to see where she'll get in.

"I find grad school appealing, too, because I like the idea of settling into something. But I don't have any idea what to study."

Ms. Schneier, who has lived with her parents for three years, recently moved from an unpaid internship to a job where she is paid one day a week. "Sometimes I think it's ridiculous that I'm about to turn 25 and can't support myself," she said. "I've regressed a little since I've been back with my parents: If I'm home by 6:30, there's dinner on the table. And my dad does the laundry."

The Research Network on Adult Transitions, a team of social scientists directed by Professor Furstenberg and financed by the MacArthur Foundation, has for years been gathering data on 18- to 34-year-olds: when they reach the traditional markers (later, throughout the Western world), what they think constitutes adulthood (self-sufficiency, a full-time job and an independent household, but not necessarily marriage or children), when they feel most adult (at work), how much support they get from their parents (on average, $38,000, or $2,200 a year from 18 to 34).

The return to the nest of children in their 20's and 30's can be a jolt for parents. Several parents with newly returned children, who would not be quoted by name for fear of hurting their children's feelings, agreed that despite the pleasures of having their offspring close at hand, their return had been stressful and, in some cases, disruptive of their plans to sell a large home, retire or move.

Suddenly, they say, everything is up for grabs: Who will be home for dinner? Who will cook dinner? If a parent is wakened at 2 a.m. by the smell of cooking, and rises in the morning to find no milk for breakfast, dirty dishes in the sink and a house full of sleeping 20-somethings, what is the right response?

Many parents face not one departure and one return, but a revolving door, as one after another of their offspring leaves for college, returns, leaves for graduate school, returns, moves for a job and returns again.

At the Navarro household, in Maspeth, Queens, all four grown children are back home: James; his two brothers, 27 and 25; and their sister, 23.

"Michael, the 27-year-old, talks about moving out, but he never does it," James Navarro said. "It doesn't make me feel too much like a kid to live there. As I've gotten older, I appreciate my parents more."

Still, it is not the life Mr. Navarro envisioned. In high school, he was a star athlete, good enough, he thought, for a professional baseball career. To that end, he chose St. Thomas University in Miami. But his baseball dreams did not pan out, so after graduating he returned home and spent two years working as a security officer in Midtown Manhattan.

"I knew I wouldn't be doing that too long, but I didn't know what I would do," he said, describing a state of mind that seems to descend on many of his generation as they leave college. "I thought about teaching, social work, working for a nonprofit, but law school seemed the most challenging."

Most of Mr. Navarro's closest friends remain unmarried, he said, and not quite ready, at least financially, to set up households.

"I've only been to one wedding in the last three years, and that was because a girl I know wanted me to go as her date," he said.

But one of his best friends is in a relationship that has become increasingly serious. And hanging over their lunchtime banter is the first tinge of awareness that they may be getting a bit old for the lives they lead.

"On New Year's Eve, sometimes, we have these motivational talks," Mr. Navarro said. "We'll say, we're getting older, we can't go to these places with teeny-boppers anymore."

They laugh and begin talking about the weekend football team. They are asked about the age range of the other players.

Mr. Navarro gets a look of mock alarm: "Who's the oldest? Oh, no, is it me?"


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To: sarcasm
Several years ago, my wife and I found ourselves in a situation where we needed to move in with my parents (I had accepted a job in my hometown on a two-week notice).
My parents had a fairly large house and invited us to stay until we could get settled in our own place.
The first thing that happened was that rules and boundries were set: we had three children and were both working.
We paid rent, child-care, and our share of the bills and grocercies. Certain nights were us cooking and vice-versa.
I have to say that it was a great time. My wife and kids got to know my father before he passed away. We were exposed to a couple who had been married for fifty years and it was very enriching.
It's not too often that your wife and her in-laws find themselves in a situation where they don't want to separate.
21 posted on 12/22/2003 4:54:47 AM PST by baltodog (When you're hanging from a hook, you gotta' get a bigger boat, or something like that.)
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To: Lazamataz
If I ever have a kid, if he's not building his own log cabin by the age of 12, I'm shooting him.

Vision Forum sells a book detailing all the "homesteading" skills needed to set up life on the prairie ... and it's in the "Boys' Activities" section of their catalog! I'm thinking of getting it for my oldest son's 10th birthday next year, along with a building permit ... he could have his cabin finished by the time we need to put two more little brothers in his room!

I suspect you're exaggerating a bit, in your charming way, but you've hit an important point: If a boy is EVER going to grow into an "emotionally mature male," rather than a perpetual adolescent like these twerps in the article, he needs to start doing real work as early as possible, and expect to continue it the rest of his life. I wouldn't have children if I expected to support them into their mid-30's ... these parents are getting exactly what they ask for.

22 posted on 12/22/2003 5:09:22 AM PST by Tax-chick (Nobody's indoctrinating MY children ... except me!)
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To: sarcasm
Wow. I think part of the problem is that some kids were never taught how to manage money, and they expect to have the best and the newest of everything -- and they want it all right now. When I left home a number of years ago, I drove my $1,500 used car to a new town. Within two weeks I had started attending college, I had found an okay apartment, and I found a semi-professional job for a whopping $5 an hour. It was a start. I paid my way through college and kept my old car for 8 years even though I later could have afforded a new car. Within 3 years I had a fair sum of money saved up (of course, I was making more than $5 per hour by then). Oh, the day I left home, my father gave me a check for $50 and said, "Destroy it in a few weeks if you find you don't need it." It was just assumed that I wouldn't need much if anything in the way of help and I would be setteled in with an apartment and a job within a few weeks of moving.
23 posted on 12/22/2003 5:22:48 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: Tax-chick
Heck I could not wait to move out!

I was gone within 6 months of getting My drivers license.

But then I was also working at 11 and bringing in $400.00 a week. (and no I was NOT selling drugs)
24 posted on 12/22/2003 5:28:48 AM PST by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: Puddleglum
Seems like there's a nice little lull in there that would accomodate some military service. I wish someone had prodded me to join when I was younger. mea culpa.

My biggest regret in life is not serving in the military when I was younger...
25 posted on 12/22/2003 5:30:57 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (where is Count Petofi when we need him most?)
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To: ChefKeith
What were you doing? I'm not just snoopy - I'm actively interested in finding real adult-level work for my boys. They are grumpy doing schoolwork, and happy doing professional cleaning, cooking, farm work, carpentry. I'd love to be able to take them over to the construction company on the next street, and say, "Put them to work, and send them home at suppertime!"
26 posted on 12/22/2003 5:49:49 AM PST by Tax-chick (My baby is 2 today!)
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To: visualops
Gee, I didn't know marriage had an income requirement.

It is if you're wife shopping in the Atlanta metro area. The women here are extremely materialistic.

27 posted on 12/22/2003 5:50:24 AM PST by xrp
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To: sarcasm
What a bunch of pride-challenged losers in this story. There's no doubt about it: if you go to college, graduate, and then move back home with mommy and daddy, you are a loser. Howie Carr (AM 680, Boston) used to dedicate whole segments of his show to railing on these parasites.
28 posted on 12/22/2003 5:56:43 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Guess it depends on the parents and kids. Mr. Mew comes from a family where the kids often take care of the elders. And you could have three generations living in the same house. Worked for them.
29 posted on 12/22/2003 6:04:36 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Tax-chick
Building displays and loading trucks with them crated up for the Oil Industry Shows that happened at the Astrodome/Hall every year in Houston. (After getting out of school and completeing My homework.)

Mind You this was back in the mid '70's when it was fairly easy for a kid to get a job (pre-mexican invasion/child labor laws/greedy politicians stealing My $$$ calling it employee taxes/ect.)

We also worked from 4PM till 10PM on school nights and until midnight or so on weekends (starting at 8AM on those days)

Heck the food service industry pays fairly well. I saw a Jack in the Box offering $7.50 an hour to start a while back (if one can stand cooking the same thing over and over and over...

How old are the Boys?
30 posted on 12/22/2003 6:10:48 AM PST by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: sarcasm
Our son is 24 and is living at home with us.

He just graduated from Auburn University Montgomery this past summer, and now works as a Tax Assesor for the Alabama State Revenue Department.

He pays all his own bills (Car - credit - insurance) and pays us rent. We told him he can live here for a maximum of 2 years, so that he has a decent down payment for a house.

31 posted on 12/22/2003 6:14:35 AM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: sarcasm
Sorry, if you are able bodied and of able mind in your 20s and not attending school, and you live at home.... you are a LOSER and a LEECH... if you are in your 30s and meet those criteria.... and its not a temporary thing, divorce, bankruptcy etc.... you are just hopeless.
32 posted on 12/22/2003 6:17:04 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
I agree. I am in this generation and have seen more than a few friends move back in or never leave their parent's nest. Some are approaching 35. Most don't pay rent or contribute to the household in a meaningful way.

If your Mom is approaching sixty, it's a safe bet, she doesn't want to do your laundry, cook you dinner and make your bed.
When I was 24, my Mom was in a bad car accident and I was forced to do a lot of my parents' household stuff. It would have been easy for me to move back in with my parents (b/c I was single and not making much $$) but I didn't b/c I knew it would be a step backward.

At some point, and I think by at least 25, you've got to take some responsibility for your own life.

33 posted on 12/22/2003 6:23:06 AM PST by bigeasy_70118
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To: sarcasm
Mr. Navarro lives with his parents in Queens. His mother packs lunch for him a few times a week. His bedroom still has his high school baseball trophies and a giant stuffed bunny that was a present from a former girlfriend.

I'd be willing to bet he's a latent homosexual.

34 posted on 12/22/2003 6:26:32 AM PST by Agnes Heep
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
There's no doubt about it: if you go to college, graduate, and then move back home with mommy and daddy, you are a loser

Why? My parents made time for me. My father worked 60 hours a week when I was growing up and he still took me fishing trapping and hunting. Now I'm graduated worked 8 years at a multinational invested in income properties and I'm effectively retired at 29. Now my mother doesn't have to cook nearly as much (I do) and my retired father has some one to fish, hunt and trap with, his retired son. I haven't move back in yet but live nearby and am considering it.

35 posted on 12/22/2003 6:28:17 AM PST by Dosa26
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To: ChefKeith
The oldest two are 9 and 7, so they won't be getting jobs in fast food any time soon :-(. Maybe if I buy the homesteading book, they could go into business building log cabins!
36 posted on 12/22/2003 6:28:41 AM PST by Tax-chick (My baby is 2 today!)
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To: sarcasm
I work with two ladies whose adult kids live at home. In one case the guy is just a parasite, in the other the ladies daughter was left a widow with two children and can't earn enough for her own home.

So the stats on unemployment can't be believed. Low wages are driving alot of young adults home.
37 posted on 12/22/2003 6:29:13 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Tax-chick
How about one of those "assemble at home" deals?
38 posted on 12/22/2003 6:32:41 AM PST by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: sarcasm
First, where is this story taking place? It all seems to be in New York. What is it about NY that brings this on? Lack of housing? Lack of maturity? Lack of preparation in the public schools?

Second, why, after years of forcing children to grow up so fast, are they surprised that they finally want to experience childhood?

Lastly, since we can expect to live into our '70s now, there really is no need to get started so soon anymore.

39 posted on 12/22/2003 6:32:43 AM PST by raybbr
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To: Dosa26
These articles generally imply, if they don't specifically state, that the "adult children" are not contributing meaningfully to the parents' household work or expenses.
That's very different from the situation you and some others have described, of generations sharing a household with everyone benefitting.

40 posted on 12/22/2003 6:35:28 AM PST by Tax-chick (My baby is 2 today!)
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